AFL Rd 23 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

[madbluboy]

Our players got a heap of the ball but Collingwood's gameplan is kryptonite to ours. Like the 1993 grand final we were out coached.

[kruddler]

I read an article today highlighting how unfair the draw is  in such a close season. We played three finalists twice, tigers played zero. Brisbane, Fremantle, Collingwood  Geelong and Sydney only played one. The Cats also played North and West Coast twice.

I've been writing about this for well over a decade now.

Found various ways to make it fairer than our current system. Nobody wants a bar of it because.....tradition....or some equally poor reasoning.

17 rounds doesn't work. You can't get even home and away matches, you could get a very hard draw one year and a very easy draw the next and repeat. The AFL don't get enough games, thus get enough money, thus the players need to take a pay cut etc.

[Baggers]

We have to get behind those two but at the same time kick the leaders right up the arse for the way we were defensively set up in that last play. That behind the goals vision was something horrendous. Weitering, as a leader, should have been sorting that defence positioning. Needed two more behind the ball once it was a 5 point margin.

I thought exactly the same thing, re Weiters, which was a worry. Pretty sure had Doc been down back he'd have been barking instructions.

[Gointocarlton]

No more excuses or living in denial, we had the Pies on toast at 3/4 time and choked like a baby bird with a tennis ball stuck in its throat because we knew they had that reputation for never say die and once they got that sniff of Navy Blue Blood they just wouldnt let up and kept coming. Good players goofed off, lost contests they shouldnt, leaders didnt lead and we let a less talented team torture us with the result.
Its either builds resolve or we become the new Nthmond and we have to look at the list and work out who isnt taking us to the next level and act. We had a chance to give players finals experience this season and maybe even win one but we ballsed up that opportunity which is a decent setback imho when you are trying to build a foundation for sustained success.
Pratty is right to say we cant assume anything and we cant trust this football club and its players because they dont have any runs on the board in that regard.
I would be all over the list and making changes where appropriate and not adopting a set and forget attitude like some seem to want, imo there are plenty of players under the microscope and we dont want them feeling safe and comfortable to the point where they dont want to improve. 2022 Better,  but still disappointing and as Voss said we need standards driven higher.....

EB all due respect, the Ninethmond tag was given to Richmond after years of finishing 9th, we are no where near  Ninethond. It was an unforgivable and brutal end to the season, no question. But there is very much to like and we will bounce back next year. I will almost bet every penny I own that what happened the last two weeks will not be repeated by a Carlton side under Voss's watch.

[Baggers]

No more excuses or living in denial, we had the Pies on toast at 3/4 time and choked like a baby bird with a tennis ball stuck in its throat because we knew they had that reputation for never say die and once they got that sniff of Navy Blue Blood they just wouldnt let up and kept coming. Good players goofed off, lost contests they shouldnt, leaders didnt lead and we let a less talented team torture us with the result.
Its either builds resolve or we become the new Nthmond and we have to look at the list and work out who isnt taking us to the next level and act. We had a chance to give players finals experience this season and maybe even win one but we ballsed up that opportunity which is a decent setback imho when you are trying to build a foundation for sustained success.
Pratty is right to say we cant assume anything and we cant trust this football club and its players because they dont have any runs on the board in that regard.
I would be all over the list and making changes where appropriate and not adopting a set and forget attitude like some seem to want, imo there are plenty of players under the microscope and we dont want them feeling safe and comfortable to the point where they dont want to improve. 2022 Better,  but still disappointing and as Voss said we need standards driven higher.....

Understand your perspective, EB1 and it sure is fair enough. We've had enough false dawns to break the most optimistic of hearts.

However...

Had we nailed at least one of those early final qtr shots against Rottingwood, we probably would have had the confidence to go on with the job. Lesson: efficiency, composure, leadership and persistence.

Those final two games were as close to finals pressure as you could get in a H&A season. The boys will have learnt heaps from both games, especially against the Dagpies.

Throughout the season we barely came close to having the chance to select from our best 25. Guys who came in to plug gaps, performed, in the main, admirably... and got valuable experience. Most importantly, our game plan held up against the best, just didn't have the cattle or experience to fulfill it for longer... even a coupla minutes!

The one lingering weakness (no doubt contributed to, to a degree, by what I mentioned above), and has been for years, is folding under real or perceived pressure/having our strengths challenged. This must be a focus for a pre season - how to react to challenge/heat/pressure with delight, and meet it then answer it with even more ruthlessness, composure and efficiency. Fierce and smart response beats 'into my shell' reaction every day of the week.

[DJC]

No more excuses or living in denial, we had the Pies on toast at 3/4 time and choked like a baby bird with a tennis ball stuck in its throat because we knew they had that reputation for never say die and once they got that sniff of Navy Blue Blood they just wouldnt let up and kept coming. Good players goofed off, lost contests they shouldnt, leaders didnt lead and we let a less talented team torture us with the result.
Its either builds resolve or we become the new Nthmond and we have to look at the list and work out who isnt taking us to the next level and act. We had a chance to give players finals experience this season and maybe even win one but we ballsed up that opportunity which is a decent setback imho when you are trying to build a foundation for sustained success.
Pratty is right to say we cant assume anything and we cant trust this football club and its players because they dont have any runs on the board in that regard.
I would be all over the list and making changes where appropriate and not adopting a set and forget attitude like some seem to want, imo there are plenty of players under the microscope and we dont want them feeling safe and comfortable to the point where they dont want to improve. 2022 Better,  but still disappointing and as Voss said we need standards driven higher.....

I don’t agree!

I watched the game with five Collingwood supporters and they all agreed that we outplayed them after quarter time.  We lost because we didn’t convert our forward 50 entries, particularly in the last quarter.

As they say, bad kicking is bad football and our kicking for goal in the last quarter was as bad as it gets.  What we needed was Eddie Betts out there to settle the nerves and ensure that we converted at least half of our shots at goal.

I’m not blaming Charlie for the loss, but if he had taken 30 seconds off the clock and nailed what was a fairly simple shot at goal, this discussion wouldn’t be happening.

[BluePhantom]

I don’t agree!

I watched the game with five Collingwood supporters and they all agreed that we outplayed them after quarter time.  We lost because we didn’t convert our forward 50 entries, particularly in the last quarter.

As they say, bad kicking is bad football and our kicking for goal in the last quarter was as bad as it gets.  What we needed was Eddie Betts out there to settle the nerves and ensure that we converted at least half of our shots at goal.

I’m not blaming Charlie for the loss, but if he had taken 30 seconds off the clock and nailed what was a fairly simple shot at goal, this discussion wouldn’t be happening.

You can say that again!
The last person I have trusted with the ball having a shot on goal was Fev.
We have for a long time been poor converters.

[Macca37]

I don’t agree!

I watched the game with five Collingwood supporters and they all agreed that we outplayed them after quarter time.  We lost because we didn’t convert our forward 50 entries, particularly in the last quarter.

As they say, bad kicking is bad football and our kicking for goal in the last quarter was as bad as it gets.  What we needed was Eddie Betts out there to settle the nerves and ensure that we converted at least half of our shots at goal.

I’m not blaming Charlie for the loss, but if he had taken 30 seconds off the clock and nailed what was a fairly simple shot at goal, this discussion wouldn’t be happening.

The example you have given of Charlie shows part of our forward line problem.  Had it been Durdin and not Charlie who made that mistake we would be excusing him on the basis he was young and relatively inexperienced and no doubt would learn a valuable lesson.

Charlie however seems to have had a maturity bypass and seems to place  greater value on instant, emotional decisions - just as he has always done.  It looks great when he takes a mark, wheels around and kicks a 50 metre goal,  but unless he can develop the ability to slow down and assess the situation before kicking then he will be just wasting so much talent.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The example you have given of Charlie shows part of our forward line problem.  Had it been Durdin and not Charlie who made that mistake we would be excusing him on the basis he was young and relatively inexperienced and no doubt would learn a valuable lesson.

Charlie however seems to have had a maturity bypass and seems to place  greater value on instant, emotional decisions - just as he has always done.  It looks great when he takes a mark, wheels around and kicks a 50 metre goal,  but unless he can develop the ability to slow down and assess the situation before kicking then he will be just wasting so much talent.

Agree, Charlie needs to play the percentages in the big moments.
Happy he won the Coleman but he can improve his own effectiveness and bring other players into the game more.
I reckon if you looked at the stats that Hawkins and Cameron would have a fair share of assists to add to their goals kicked. Like to see Charlie and Harry show a bit more lateral thinking sometimes and set other players up more, I'm sure they will learn to do that more with experience and some strong coaching from Ash Hansen in particular.

[LoveNavy]

We have to be proud of the effort.

I read an article today highlighting how unfair the draw is  in such a close season. We played three finalists twice, tigers played zero. Brisbane, Fremantle, Collingwood  Geelong and Sydney only played one. The Cats also played North and West Coast twice.

I read that too. I thought there were so called equalisation mechanisms in place. I think it worked by having a certain draw based on previous finishing position.

Anyways.. it's just another inequity the AFL deliver