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(08-21-2022, 10:06 AM)pinot link Wrote:Walsh , Hewett and Kennedy missing isn't helping considering they trained with Cerra and Cripps all pre season
TDK wouldn't have made much of a difference I don't think - just another inexperienced player and thought Williams was pretty good. Had more contested possession than uncontested with 83% efficiency - that's a solid day in the office.
LOB 83% time on ground with zero tackles. The only other players that had zero tackles for both teams were forwards.
17 outside possessions with 68% efficiency <---- thats not good enough. He wasn't the cause though - Fisher had another inconsistent game, Durdin is extremely inconsistent and needs a very big pre season. I thought Williams was extremely ordinary watching him live. Played on Ginnivan, pushed and shoved the kid when the ball was being bounced, then got torched by him when the ball came down. I'd swap the young kid for Williams in a heartbeat. Cannot stand the bloke.
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(08-21-2022, 10:13 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I thought Williams was extremely ordinary watching him live. Played on Ginnivan, pushed and shoved the kid when the ball was being bounced, then got torched by him when the ball came down. I'd swap the young kid for Williams in a heartbeat. Cannot stand the bloke. Williams and Martin were passengers IMO...dont care how many possies Williams gets he cant let his man kick goals, Martin just doesnt do enough for a player of his skill level and contract money.
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(08-21-2022, 10:13 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I thought Williams was extremely ordinary watching him live. Played on Ginnivan, pushed and shoved the kid when the ball was being bounced, then got torched by him when the ball came down. I'd swap the young kid for Williams in a heartbeat. Cannot stand the bloke.
Williams is a hard at it player with sublime skills - he's been disappointing but had a good game. Ginnivan just did his job as a small forward - other than Motlop the rest are for the tip.
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(08-21-2022, 10:11 AM)Lods link Wrote:Voss made a point in his press conference about individual growth which is quite relevant.
I can't think of a player who played today who is on the down-slope slippery slide.
It's not an aging group and each and every one of them 'can' be better next season.
Some will be better because they won't be impacted by injury
Some will be better just though natural growth and maturity.
Sure, we won't get 100% improvement, there will be setbacks for some
But overall it should be a better side.
Yep, found myself quite buoyed by Vossie's media conference. Wasn't shy with identifying issues and inadequacies and the 2nd half year drop off and the need to make further changes... that some will like, and others may not like. Right man at the helm. Also didn't hold back on how cheats.com.au treated Rutten.
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(08-21-2022, 10:21 AM)pinot link Wrote:Williams is a hard at it player with sublime skills - he's been disappointing but had a good game. Ginnivan just did his job as a small forward - other than Motlop the rest are for the tip. Wow! Just wow! So much to unpack there but Im not going to bother.
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We were atrocious in the first half, sensational in the third quarter and then tried to "hold the match" in the last instead of continuing to play all out attacking footy. This played into the Pie hands, they had every reason to go for broke that point.
Just a reminder, we didn't kick a goal in the first or last quarters, that's zero goals for a whole half of a match !!!
The ruck is a big issue IMO, I don't rate Pittonet at all whilst De Koning still has a fair way to go.
The three small forward set-up (Owies, Durdin & Motlop) just doesn't work hence the need for a mid-sized forward to provide an additional avenue to goal alongside McKay & Curnow.
Curnow needs to eradicate the brain-fade stupid decisions from his game, they are just too costly when he does them (i.e. there were two howlers in todays game against the Pies).
I did say in another thread that we would drop the final three games of the season and I was right (certainly not gloating, just pointing out the fact). However, it is imperative that this burns us hard as a club and we come out in 2023 even stronger than we were this year.
It has been an improvement, there is no doubt about it but we are our own worst enemy, fuck the tempo footy palava, lets just go for broke from the first siren to the last, when we do we carve them all up.
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(08-21-2022, 10:19 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Williams and Martin were passengers IMO...dont care how many possies Williams gets he cant let his man kick goals, Martin just doesnt do enough for a player of his skill level and contract money.
Martin has to be shown the door, far too erratic in his output to be considered a reliable player for us.
I didn't mind Williams today, he took the game on and set up many forward thrusts when we were looking like falling away.
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(08-21-2022, 10:22 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Yep, found myself quite buoyed by Vossie's media conference. Wasn't shy with identifying issues and inadequacies and the 2nd half year drop off and the need to make further changes... that some will like, and others may not like. Right man at the helm. Also didn't hold back on how cheats.com.au treated Rutten.
Yes. Impressive in the circumstances.
Also interesting to hear how they'd increased loads this year and will do so again for next year. Might just be the edge we need to deliver consistently across q', games, pre-post bye. Of course it may also be a bridge too far for those with certain injury woes.
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(08-21-2022, 10:27 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:We were atrocious in the first half, sensational in the third quarter and then tried to "hold the match" in the last instead of continuing to play all out attacking footy. This played into the Pie hands, they had every reason to go for broke that point.
Just a reminder, we didn't kick a goal in the first or last quarters, that's zero goals for a whole half of a match !!!
The ruck is a big issue IMO, I don't rate Pittonet at all whilst De Koning still has a fair way to go.
The three small forward set-up (Owies, Durdin & Motlop) just doesn't work hence the need for a mid-sized forward to provide an additional avenue to goal alongside McKay & Curnow.
Curnow needs to eradicate the brain-fade stupid decisions from his game, they are just too costly when he does them (i.e. there were two howlers in todays game against the Pies).
I did say in another thread that we would drop the final three games of the season and I was right (certainly not gloating, just pointing out the fact). However, it is imperative that this burns us hard as a club and we come out in 2023 even stronger than we were this year.
It has been an improvement, there is no doubt about it but we are our own worst enemy, screw the tempo footy palava, lets just go for broke from the first siren to the last, when we do we carve them all up.
Yep - I'll be interested what Vossy will have in store for us. Three forward pockets that don't do much hasn't worked 100% agree. How many times were they outsized in marking contests? Too many to count - think Kemp should be a starter as a mid forward he moves around the ground well - played midfield in his junior years. Could be a sleeper for 23
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From where I was sitting, curnow for a coleman medalist was the reason we lost. When we needed to get going he was nowhere.
One of his shots for goal with his crappy snap didn't even make the distance. Add 2 more set shots that were gettable, and in the last, 5 points up, marks at half forward and kicks long to nobody. We had about 4 mins on the clock, and all we needed was one solitary point which would have made it 2 kicks that the pies needed.
No, not good enough to kick a farken torp and play the percentages because our team is full of mental lightweights.
Collingwood took their foot off in the 3rd and the umpires gave us an armchair ride.
That was a game that could have been won, but wasn't because we are simply not good enough and don't give me the he was good he wasn't.
We don't have enough stand and deliver types when the heat is on.
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