AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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https://www.afl.com.au/news/823453/blues...s-showdown

Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I  guess we are desperate.

[PaulP]

Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I  guess we are desperate.

Yes, it has "bad ending" written all over it.

[LP]

Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I  guess we are desperate.

Actually, to me this is more like the Carlton of old, players written off as injured and unavailable, only to make a miracle recovery!

None of us are in a position to judge, and I doubt Voss feels so desperate, if there is a hint of truth in this it's founded in what we do not know, otherwise it's just a media guess!

[WASurfer]

Watched a fair bit of the VFL game online yesterday and while the conditions didn't help, I couldn't see too many players that earned a call up. Dow got plenty of it in the first half but not really that effective. Kemp, and so many others, seem to try and take the game on and tried way too hard to overdo it and got caught holding the ball numerous times....it was hardly the conditions to be trying to play like that. Not sure who the Melbourne ruckman was but crikey, he was enourmous.

[Thryleon]

There was a passage of play against Melbourne, where McGovern grabbed it off half back, ran ten metres, and then torped it to Charlies advantage goal side which caught Melbourne in no mans land.  We didnt capitalise, but thats the sort of stuff that Williams can do when in the team.

It also means that him and Saad can attack in waves, leaving Docherty to focus on more defensive duties, and his departure from the team coincided with yet another dip in output in the rest of the 22.

Given our current sub is Dow and Dow hasnt really had much of an impact, I would be comfortable for Williams to come in as a sub, because in finals, Williams is another one of those players that makes the rest better, and can turn a game on his own. 

[kruddler]

There was a passage of play against Melbourne, where McGovern grabbed it off half back, ran ten metres, and then torped it to Charlies advantage goal side which caught Melbourne in no mans land.  We didnt capitalise, but thats the sort of stuff that Williams can do when in the team.

It also means that him and Saad can attack in waves, leaving Docherty to focus on more defensive duties, and his departure from the team coincided with yet another dip in output in the rest of the 22.

Given our current sub is Dow and Dow hasnt really had much of an impact, I would be comfortable for Williams to come in as a sub, because in finals, Williams is another one of those players that makes the rest better, and can turn a game on his own. 

Williams can do that, and it makes me think that we want him as a replacement for someone who can do that too.....Saad.

Saad has been dragging himself through games, repeatedly limping around seemingly every week. Taken hits to the ribs which have floored him for extended times too. Maybe he won't get up this week?

Alternatively, who do we drop....Stocker?

[laj]

My biggest worry is the last qtr, being, say, 3 goals up at 3 qtr time then inexperience causing us to s hit the bed. Other than that I am confident.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Problem for me with Williams is he is very loose and I wouldnt want him on anyone decent eg Elliott,.....I think Stocker seems to be the fall guy though if Williams plays as he gets dropped for seemingly no reason. I'd leave Docherty in the middle, was very good vs Melbourne imho. I'd stick with Stocker and make Williams the sub if he has to be played......

[LP]

Problem for me with Williams is he is very loose and I wouldnt want him on anyone decent eg Elliott,.....I think Stocker seems to be the fall guy though if Williams plays as he gets dropped for seemingly no reason. I'd leave Docherty in the middle, was very good vs Melbourne imho. I'd stick with Stocker and make Williams the sub if he has to be played......

I see Williams and Saad as very similar game style, I think Williams has Saad covered for ball use but not necessarily for decision making. Saad can hit some targets but his run and carry is pretty predictable and good sides force him to turn onto the wrong side diminishing his influence. But Saad is much better at getting back and defending, he can close more ground than Williams, so Saad is less likely to be caught out on the turnover.

I think Williams is better when working on the inside than Saad, and Williams is a genuine midfield/traffic option despite what fans think.

[WASurfer]

Given the way our season has gone, I can see Charlie getting pipped in the Coleman in the last round. Geelong have West Coast at Kardinia Park....Cameron and Hawkins will be licking their lips at the prospect of a big bag each. West Coast, apart from a bit of rough and tough stuff early in the Derby, have put the white flag up and wouldn't surprise to see a few senior players "managed" this week too.