AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

[DJC]

Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.

How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.

Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.

Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.

Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests.  That still requires the ball to be kicked to his advantage even if it’s just a high ball to the hot spot.

Harry and Charlie work damn hard to be in good positions, as does Jack.  In fact Jack is third for marks on the lead inside 50, well ahead of Harry and Charlie.  Their teammates generally work equally hard to get the ball to them … except when we’re a little off our game, as we were against St Kilda.

Maybe a little of ‘Harry’s on a shortarse, just bomb the ball’ creeps in.

[pew2]

like i said in past tall fwds are useless if you haven't got players to deliver the pill (need to recruit quick players ) . My opinion is that wce are confident ,get JK back  playing home , set up perfect for us to win .

[LP]

Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests. 

It's not really size that matters the most, it's strength, and usually bigger players have a weight advantage, but if you don't know how to use that advantage it's worthless.

SOS would regularly stitch up KPF's significantly bigger than him, and Serg could better players far far heavier, but none were built stronger. SoJ is a bit similar, which allows him to fair better in the ruck than people predict.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.

How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.

Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.

Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.

I'd suggest delivery to and intensity from Harry and Charlie wasnt as good as it should have been, Saints lost Howard as well and ended up with Battle on Harry but we were not good enough to exploit that as a team or Harry as an Individual.
Wilkie is an underrated defender and fair to say he probably had the better of Charlie who like Harry looked a bit laconic and I hope Voss smartens them up this week at training because I see plenty of opportunities vs WC if they are switched on.
Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.

[kruddler]

Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.

If Charlie has a set shot, he misses.

If he gets the ball, and runs his arc straight away without thinking, he is a better kick.
Still could improve in both areas, but i think he is susceptible to the yips if he has time to think about things.

[Mav]

I recall Parkin talking about how they addressed The Duke of Earl's goalkicking yips when he crossed from Melbourne and we tried to move him from CHB to CHF. The problem he had was that there'd always be a swing on the ball, but he couldn't allow for it as sometimes it went left and sometimes it went right. Taking time to think about his kicking was hurting rather than helping him. Parkin advised him just to take a set number of steps back and immediately begin his run up. It cured him pretty much overnight.

[LP]

I recall Parkin talking about how they addressed The Duke of Earl's goalkicking yips when he crossed from Melbourne and we tried to move him from CHB to CHF. The problem he had was that there'd always be a swing on the ball, but he couldn't allow for it as sometimes it went left and sometimes it went right. Taking time to think about his kicking was hurting rather than helping him. Parkin advised him just to take a set number of steps back and immediately begin his run up. It cured him pretty much overnight.

I've thought very much the same about Cripps, who has similar issues to Earl.

A trick we had with kids was getting then to become competitive about their longest kick, because you can't kick your personal best longest kick without kicking straight. It got them focussed on kicking straight without the pressure of kicking straight, everybody just accepts some can kick further than others, so you focus on a PB.

[NudeNut]

So if it were up to me

In Weiters Owies Stocker (sub)
Out Newnes Honey (Setterfield)

I'd go
In Weiters Owies
Out Plow Honey (leave Setterfield as the Sub)

[DJC]

We went into the Saints game with six defenders and Newnes.  Newnes wasn't effective in defence and his absence from the wing rotations affected O'Brien and Cottrell's games (Cerra was next to useless).

Weitering should come in at the expense of a surplus midfielder/forward to provide a more balanced line up.

Plowman was one of our better defenders with 10 intercept possessions and 89% disposal efficiency.  His hacked kick to Membrey in the first quarter was his only real blemish. He and his five fellow defenders all deserve to retain their places in the team.

[Thryleon]

Should be out cerra, Setterfield.

In owies and weitering (kemp to the sub).