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I agree Baggers.
The other element was that the Saints never really gave up their pressure - it almost looked like we relaxed a couple couple of times when we were in front, allowing the Saints to score again and stay in the game.
Have we changed our game a bit to have more players in defense when the ball is there to compensate for injured personnel? If so, that shift would affect play up the ground when we get the ball?
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07-04-2022, 04:32 AM
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Fatigue causes a loss of intensity and that can make players appear blasé, but it's impossible to play eight consecutive quarters of berserk football like we did starting with Freo a week earlier, and opponents know that.
FWIW, many specialist media commentators have been saying as much about Freo's game plan, they assert it's unsustainable.
We need to find a way to curtail the opposition run on and stay in games when we aren't ready to go berserk!
It's even worse when we waste opportunities. Fans blame the missed shots as the reason for the loss, but I'd assert while the misses do not help it can also be the unending ongoing high intensity that is actually causing those missed opportunities.
We might have looked relaxed, but it's more likely we were fatigued and as a result sluggish.
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07-04-2022, 05:33 AM
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need to add speed to our defence ,eg tigers,saints and freo and ferals (coll) atm we have saad and doc who are both 26 /27,28 ,where are our young coming defenders stock not quick weitering kpd. Our recruiters need to find quick players who can carry and run another 2 saad would be handy (younger of course)
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(07-02-2022, 09:27 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:18 man defence means up and down running and also negating an opponent. For a man with supposed blistering speed, he showed nothing with disappoining. All I am saying is he doesn't look up to it for me at AFL level. I'm not suggesting for a minute Honey was THE problem on Friday night, many were down. I read somewhere testerday Cripps Walsh and Cerra had 4 tackles between them, Steele, Jones and Crouch had 24. Here endeth the lesson.
In the case of Cripps and Walsh, it's hard to tackle when you have the ball.
Both teams had 61 tackles and Hewett, Kennedy and Docherty had 19 tackles between them; that wasn't where the game was lost.
Cerra was rusty and really should have tried to get into the game by laying a few tackles.
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Bad kicking is bad football. We continually put teamates under pressure, by playing uncomposed footy. That was to simply get rid of it, rather than play the percentages. Result, we turned it over a lot, and I would estimate that the Saints generated 80% of their scoring from turnovers be it forced by pressure, or unforced and just loose kicking into dangerous areas.
We played as poor a game as we have all season, and the result was that we kicked ourselves out of it, more than Saint Kilda beat us. If we play that match 10 times over, I doubt we would lose it again. Its a false negative. St. Kilda played about as well as they could have hoped for, but in reality, they relied on us giving them back the ball a lot.
Unfortunately, we accomodated.
Cerra wasnt just rusty, he wasnt ready and shouldnt have played. Was a bonafide witches hat.
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(07-04-2022, 06:57 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Bad kicking is bad football. We continually put teamates under pressure, by playing uncomposed footy. That was to simply get rid of it, rather than play the percentages. Result, we turned it over a lot, and I would estimate that the Saints generated 80% of their scoring from turnovers be it forced by pressure, or unforced and just loose kicking into dangerous areas.
We played as poor a game as we have all season, and the result was that we kicked ourselves out of it, more than Saint Kilda beat us. If we play that match 10 times over, I doubt we would lose it again. Its a false negative. St. Kilda played about as well as they could have hoped for, but in reality, they relied on us giving them back the ball a lot.
Unfortunately, we accomodated.
Cerra wasnt just rusty, he wasnt ready and shouldnt have played. Was a bonafide witches hat. Yep Cerra looked out of it and was spectating a few times when he should have been running to make position or chasing.....Where I reckon Stkilda won the game would have been winning the stoppages via their ruckman and it looked like they won more uncontested ball because they worked harder. We didnt work hard enough and are at our worst when we dont man up and allow the easy overlap, once piece of play was horrendous as I said in a previous post where Stkilda training drill style sent the ball from the backline in slow motion back across the ground and up the wing with zero pressure.
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I think a big factor was our poor goal kicking and thus our failure to inflict scoreboard pressure on them. This would have no doubt taken a lot of the wind out of the Saints sails but instead we kept handing them lifelines ( to maintain the nautical theme).
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(07-04-2022, 03:49 AM)dodge link Wrote:I agree Baggers.
The other element was that the Saints never really gave up their pressure - it almost looked like we relaxed a couple couple of times when we were in front, allowing the Saints to score again and stay in the game.
Have we changed our game a bit to have more players in defense when the ball is there to compensate for injured personnel? If so, that shift would affect play up the ground when we get the ball?
Yep. A hangover from years gone by? We used to do that often... in front? Foot off the pedal.
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Gee, there has been some absolute rubbish written on Carlton fan pages and forums since the loss. The trolls are out in force. A lot of them are obviously not Carlton folk. I'm not talking about here. We seem to be a fairly stable group (that may bite us in the bum long term as we need some fresh blood). But the big point of difference is that even when we're a bit critical or disagree we put forward arguments to support our point of view. Sorry for the rant but what set me off was some goose on a Facebook site reckoned we should trade Hewett because he's not damaging. Moral of the story is... never let a mug upset you.??
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(07-04-2022, 01:33 PM)Lods link Wrote:Gee, there has been some absolute rubbish written on Carlton fan pages and forums since the loss. The trolls are out in force. A lot of them are obviously not Carlton folk. I'm not talking about here. We seem to be a fairly stable group (that may bite us in the bum long term as we need some fresh blood). But the big point of difference is that even when we're a bit critical or disagree we put forward arguments to support our point of view. Sorry for the rant but what set me off was some goose on a Facebook site reckoned we should trade Hewett because he's not damaging. Moral of the story is... never let a mug upset you.??
I stopped using Carlton sites on Facebook. Some are just complete and utter f idiots with no clue whatsoever. Much more intelligence here. Even when I disagree with people you know all of the regulars on here have a damn good idea what they are talking about.
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