AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

[Gointocarlton]

@ Baggers Yes perspective indeed and our future is bright no doubt. But I think after last night, the talk of us making finals and winning the premiership will be tempered somewhat from all and sundry. As we get to the business end of the season, the real contenders will emerge and be clear to all. Not saying StK are contenders, far from it. Even with our depleted, if it wasn't for atrocious kicking for goal and sub par workrate, we would have beaten them. But we didn't and some home truths will brought to them this week. To be top 4 and regarded as a contender, we would have to just about win every game against the teams lower than us and two out of Melb, Bris, Geel. Not gonna happen..this year.

[madbluboy]

Sorry Baggers but that is complete disrespect to StKilda. They controlled most of the game, withstood our surge and finished us off.

[kruddler]

The loss we had to have?

After getting our tyres pumped up last week, back to reality this week.

A good lesson that if you are 5% off and dont take your chances when they present, you will lose.

Learn from the Freo game and learn from the Saints game. Regardless of the opposition and the strength of your relative teams, its all down to pressure and converting.

From here we will get players back and it will make our life easier.

[ElwoodBlues1]

This was a danger game with the Saints smashed in the media and when you saw who they brought in you didn't need to be too smart to figure out it was going to be tough night and as Krud said if you are off by a little bit then you will get knocked over. A few of our players might be drinking their own bathwater too and couldn't be bothered with manning up or the hard stuff.One passage of play included Stkilda switching play and walking the ball through half back, the wing then down forward, zero pressure applied and zero manning up.
Saad did a lot of rebounding but caught out being too far away from Higgins too often and Sinclair never had a man all night.All easy fixes if you are switched on and motivated but we just looked like we wanted the other bloke doing the work while we watched waiting for the easy kick.

[JonDorotich]

This was a danger game with the Saints smashed in the media and when you saw who they brought in you didn't need to be too smart to figure out it was going to be tough night and as Krud said if you are off by a little bit then you will get knocked over. A few of our players might be drinking their own bathwater too and couldn't be bothered with manning up or the hard stuff.One passage of play included Stkilda switching play and walking the ball through half back, the wing then down forward, zero pressure applied and zero manning up.
Saad did a lot of rebounding but caught out being too far away from Higgins too often and Sinclair never had a man all night.All easy fixes if you are switched on and motivated but we just looked like we wanted the other bloke doing the work while we watched waiting for the easy kick.

Bit of ball watching and jogging going on also - esp Fisher, Cerra and Honey, need to be much better,

Also what I refer to the “Liam Jones” effect from Plowman - some very good pieces of play, offset by some absolute howlers.

Newnes may be a great clubman but his decision making and ability to get quick disposal is way off AFL. He’s a VFL stalwart at best.

[Baggers]

@ Baggers Yes perspective indeed and our future is bright no doubt. But I think after last night, the talk of us making finals and winning the premiership will be tempered somewhat from all and sundry. As we get to the business end of the season, the real contenders will emerge and be clear to all. Not saying StK are contenders, far from it. Even with our depleted, if it wasn't for atrocious kicking for goal and sub par workrate, we would have beaten them. But we didn't and some home truths will brought to them this week. To be top 4 and regarded as a contender, we would have to just about win every game against the teams lower than us and two out of Melb, Bris, Geel. Not gonna happen..this year.

Yep. We're still young at winning and with that comes too many fluctuations. This is the Vossmeister's first year at the helm, along with the assistants... everyone is still learning, a year of learning and discovering. I see us as a bottom 8 side this year (5-8) which is reflected in our %.

Totally agree re talk of top 4, was great but fanciful. Persistence and concentration for 4 quarters AND game to game consistency is still a focus.

[Baggers]

Sorry Baggers but that is complete disrespect to StKilda. They controlled most of the game, withstood our surge and finished us off.

So many missed goals is subtly demoralising... little reward for effort. And it keeps your opposition in the game... buoys them. I mean no respect for the Aints, they brought their best. But I am extremely sure that had we converted properly it would have buoyed us and likely folded them - scoreboard pressure. The important thing is that we learn from this. Efficiency is the thing that top 4 sides do, consistently.

[madbluboy]

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Who was the better team?

[Baggers]

16.8.104
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Who was the better team?

That's not 'who was the better team,' that's 'who won?' 33 shots on goal to 24... guess who would be ruing a lost opportunity and guess who'd be pleased they made the most of their opportunities.

[laj]

So many missed goals is subtly demoralising... little reward for effort. And it keeps your opposition in the game... buoys them. I mean no respect for the Aints, they brought their best. But I am extremely sure that had we converted properly it would have buoyed us and likely folded them - scoreboard pressure. The important thing is that we learn from this. Efficiency is the thing that top 4 sides do, consistently.

16.8.104
14.19.103

Who was the better team?

We kicked their butt for 3 qtrs of that game. Lost by 35pts in the 3rd qtr.

Anyway, I digress. I can see your point