AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

[RiverRat]

BT is a dinosaur that has hit his used by date.

I thought he reached that date after the first game I heard him commentate.

[Mav]

The Fyfe decision was the wrong decision but the circumstances were bizarre enough that the decision can’t be solely ascribed to the crowd noise. With the benefit of replays and time to think, the commentators came up with a very plausible explanation for that kick. They noted an umpire had run into F50 moving towards goal and Fyfe appeared to be targeting the umpire in the mistaken belief he was a team mate running free into goal. If the umpires had had the luxury of time as cricket umpires do to get together for a discussion, they may have figured it out.

Without that missing piece to the puzzle, the kick from Fyfe was a perfectly executed kick which went exactly where he intended. There was no hint of it being a miskick. And it would have ended up with Freo having a stoppage and the chance to lock the ball in to F50 by setting up the wall. In the umpire’s mind, Fyfe may have preferred this outcome rather than kicking to a contest or taking a very low percentage pot shot at goal that was likely to yield only a point and hand possession to Carlton.

[crashlander]

The deliberate out of bounds against Fyfe (I think) was a crowd decision. He had absolutely no motive to kick it out of bounds on purpose.

I would actually disagree. I thought at the time that there wasn't anything he was a certain to kick to, so he chose the boundary to get a ball-in, which should be to their advantage.
I may be wrong: I can't read people's minds. However, I thought at the time that his disposal was tactical.

When they paid the decision against us early in the piece, they opened a can of worms.
Considering a number of other decisions that did NOT go our way, especially when Durdin was tackled around the knees, I was quite willing to take that one as payback. H should have had about 8 frees in goalkicking range, but had one (and probably the least obvious one at that).

A similar thing happened with a mark that was paid. The 3rd Freo goal was paid from a mark that wouldn't be paid 99% of the time. It was a poor decision, and we paid for it. However, it did make the umpires pay the one to Charlie Curnow later in the game. Mind you, he should have got a free for front on contact, but I'm not going there.

The free paid against Docherty was another shocker: Docherty stopped when he heard a whistle and didn't try to get rid of the ball.  Then he was tackled and had the free paid against, which cost us a goal. That was not smart umpiring.

[blueboys_1]

Did well I thought. I wonder if his tackle on one of their talls ?Logue was included. He hung on and got spun around like a pole dancer.

Think that was the one on the wing in font of me. Remember he came steaming in and virtually went past him to then lay the tackle from the opposite side that he came from. Outstanding and it really stood out.

[DJC]

The deliberate out of bounds against Fyfe (I think) was a crowd decision. He had absolutely no motive to kick it out of bounds on purpose.

As others have mentioned, Fyfe may have been honouring an umpire’s lead.  However, the rule is now insufficient intent to keep the ball in play and the free against Fyfe was no worse than a couple we got pinged for.

Perhaps the angry response to those decisions helped sway the umpire’s mind ?

[Lods]

I remember thinking as Fyfe kicked it and before the decision was made "What will the umpire do here?"
It was uncertain enough that the decision could have gone either way and it would have been OK.

[tonyo]

There is not one single thread of logic to suggest that a guy 50 metres out from his own unguarded goal would deliberately kick a perfect drop punt to go out of bounds 20 metres around from goal. 

Fyfe himself said at the time that he thought the boundary umpire was a team mate.

If it had been paid against us, we would have been screaming.

[madbluboy]

There is not one single thread of logic to suggest that a guy 50 metres out from his own unguarded goal would deliberately kick a perfect drop punt to go out of bounds 20 metres around from goal. 

Fyfe himself said at the time that he thought the boundary umpire was a team mate.

If it had been paid against us, we would have been screaming.

Exactly.

[DJC]

There is not one single thread of logic to suggest that a guy 50 metres out from his own unguarded goal would deliberately kick a perfect drop punt to go out of bounds 20 metres around from goal. 

Fyfe himself said at the time that he thought the boundary umpire was a team mate.

If it had been paid against us, we would have been screaming.

That's till insufficient intent to keep the ball in play.  Even kicks that slew off the boot or bounce at right angles are paid if the umpire deems that the player isn't trying to keep the ball in play. 

If Fyfe had kicked towards goal, we had numbers back and were likely to have gained possession.  A boundary throw in 20 metres from goal and with Darcy to contest the hitout is a much better option.

[madbluboy]

The sooner they follow the SANFL's lead where all kicks out of play are penalised the better.

Remove the grey area.

Oh and no one ever kicks it out on purpose.