AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

[kruddler]

Not sure about May missing being the reason Melbourne lost, they were due like us and Freo have a very decent defense with size which is underated IMO. Langdon and McDonald missing also messed with their structure and both us and the Dees were ripe to be knocked over...

13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?

Please.

Its not simply the goals he stops.
Its not simply the structure he provides
Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time
......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.

[ElwoodBlues1]

13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?

Please.

Its not simply the goals he stops.
Its not simply the structure he provides
Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time
......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.

You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont.
They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...

[kruddler]

You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont.
They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...

I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.

Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though.
Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.

Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.

If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything.
Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.

[madbluboy]

Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.

We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.

We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again.
What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".

I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do.
I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.

Are we a top 4 side?
Depends on our injuries.

Our injuries are worse this year .

Take May, Lever, Gawn and Weiderman out of Melbourne and see how they would go.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.

Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though.
Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.

Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.

If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything.
Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.

You keep Gawn, Petracca and Oliver(after half time) to fair games only you beat Melbourne imo.

[WASurfer]

Fark! Been to two games this year....Freo over here and flew over for yesterday....and we've lost them both. Been to two Freo games this year, including Saturday, and they've won them both.

My first Blues v Pies experience live and despite the result, it was worth the trip. Like most, when Weitering went down I thought we'd be hammered. But we rallied in both the second and last quarters and nearly pinched it. It came of the back of superb games from Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and Saad...and a lift from Crippa in the last quarter and a bit too. Saad was magnificent IMO and just love the way he backs himself in.

Few points from observations at the game:

1. Not sure who was on Sidebottom in the 3rd quarter but nobody would go near him. At one point I saw Cottrell screaming at team mates to man up so could only assume he wasn't on him at that point but might've gone onto him in the last and definitely quelled his influence. But he did all the damage in the 3rd.
2. Jack Carroll had a stinker for sure but it's his 4th game and doubt he's played a game like that before with the speed, pressure and crowd noise. He got caught a couple of times and panicked. He's normally got a good kick on him but just couldn't find it yesterday.
3. Saw a couple of times just off the ball where Motlop just stopped and didn't chase when he could've....it was one of the reasons he was recruited...his offensive pressure....he'll need to get onto that before it becomes a bad habit.
4. Owies was quiet for most of the day but, like Durdin, they bring the forward pressure and chipped in for handy goals. Durdin's pace is fantastic.
5. Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders. Ginnivan got one of those soft high tackle frees early on but he looked a bit gun-shy knowing Stocker was trying to line him up.
6. Dow got quite a bit of the footy but there must be a distinct difference between VFL and AFL because he didn't get any time and decision making and kicking were poor. If Kennedy is right in a couple of weeks, I'm not sure he holds his spot.

We are truly cursed on the injury front. As others have suggested, we can only hope to pinch a few games in the next 5-6 weeks to try and shore up a spot in the finals and then hope like hell that the likes of McKay, Weitering, Pittonet, Marchbank/McGovern, Williams etc are back in the last few weeks of the season.

[WASurfer]

At the G on Saturday and I'd say Longmuir got one up on Goodwin on the day. He shifted players around and it seemed to catch Melbourne off guard after half time. Fremantle's pace looked like it troubled Melbourne a bit. Lobb will likely never play a game like that again so that was a major factor on the day.

But put May, Langon and Salem back in that side and it's probably a loss they needed to have to just reset and go again. Hopefully they can pound Collingwood in a couple of weeks time and bring them back to earth.

[RiverRat]

Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders.

It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should.  Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.

[ElwoodBlues1]

It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should.  Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.

Bit of a lazy left foot at times and misses targets, rest of his game is good but those lazy kicks can be costly.

[WASurfer]

Just like Fisher's one in the 3rd quarter.....terrible turnover that cost a goal. His kicking in the last month or so has been a big reason for our wins but that one yesterday was a shocker...and on his natural foot too.