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(06-04-2022, 08:41 AM)Mav link Wrote:Isn’t that what I said?
Rather than being defensive, I’m on the offensive against outright lies being spread by Murdoch and his ilk. Sky News and the Daily Mail were the ones pushing this nonsense. If those outlets claimed it’s currently winter in Australia, I’d do my homework before accepting it.
Defensive.
All politicians are liars, and all of them break election promises probably because they don't understand the full impact of those decisions until they see the wider impact those policies effect.
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Not defensive. Now you’re being offensive.
You’ve conceded that the statement released before the election pretty much gave the WA Govt and the industry the ability to block action in this parliamentary term and yet you imply that Labor promised a ban in this term and broke that promise. Which is it?
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(06-04-2022, 08:56 AM)Mav link Wrote:Not defensive. Now you’re being offensive.
You’ve conceded that the statement released before the election pretty much gave the WA Govt and the industry the ability to block action in this parliamentary term and yet you imply that Labor promised a ban in this term and broke that promise. Which is it?
Have a rest Mav. Ive actually criticised no one but you.
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Yep, I realised you were criticising no one but me. And in a thread about politicians, that’s quite something.
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(06-04-2022, 08:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I take Phasing out as a Yes and it will go through parliament as legislation, I take not in the term of this Government as a No and we might think about it if you elect us again.
I believe Libs 2IC Susan Ley would have supported the proposal as she was keen to support the idea a while back.
Happy to concede I am a meat eater but I wont eat meat that comes from known inhumane treatment sources or where baby animals eg Lambs, Veal or young Pigs are slaughtered. The thought of sheep being thrown into live mincers or some asian slaughterhouse beating cattle heads in with Sledgehammers makes me want to do same to the perpetrators so for me I'd like to see some bipartisan agreement reached where proper standards both here and for export are adopted.
As I said I enjoy my rib eye/scotch fillet and a parma but I want my Aus animals treated properly in the process...
Well said, EB1. Same page.
I feel very fortunate to live in an area (Gippsland) where I can go to the local butcher and get locally grown grass fed rib eye and scotch fillet, but very importantly... I know the beasts have been raised well and their demise is without suffering or inhuman treatment. Likewise, I wouldn't touch any meat knowing that the beast was ill-treated. I hope it is a 'quick' phase out.
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(06-04-2022, 08:44 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Defensive.
All politicians are liars, and all of them break election promises probably because they don't understand the full impact of those decisions until they see the wider impact those policies effect.
No they're not, 3 Leos. A sweeping generalisation there old son.
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(06-04-2022, 11:29 PM)Baggers link Wrote:No they're not, 3 Leos. A sweeping generalisation there old son.
Sorry Baggers, you are correct. Politicians don't lie, they make qualifying statements and never speak a categorical truth to be caught acting contradictory later. They just move the goalposts and cover their arse with "that was true based on the information I had at the time", and then hide behind "can't recall" later.
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Over promise and under deliver is standard business for parties/politicians.
There is an old saying that Truth comes at a price, Lies are cheap...
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One of the paradoxes of politics is that, while folks prefer the party they favour to be in power, they find it less enjoyable as casual watchers.
It's much more fun to watch the party you dislike 'under the pump'.
It can be uncomfortable to watch the party you support under similar pressure.
The party in power is often in defensive mode as decisions it makes, or promises not kept, alienate increasing sections of the community.
Parties do get a honeymoon early on, and that's when they need to go hard with the tough decisions.
Hopefully by the time the next election comes around they're in a position to hand out a few sweeteners.
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Gotta say I don’t have a problem with qualifying statements. The more detail the better. The categorical statement is usually the sign of dishonesty and is watered down after the event by qualifications that weren’t made clear before an election.
The same issue arises with assessing the veracity of witnesses. The bombastic witness who states everything with certainty tends to impress the audience when compared to witnesses who try to be as candid as they can be about what they can’t be sure about.
Confusing bombast for honesty and competence is what made Trump possible. Unfortunately, our election campaigns aren’t geared towards drawing out the detail or the qualifications that should be provided. It’s much more important to see our candidates kicking a footy or eating a hot dog.
