Election 2022 (Poll added)

[Mantis]

Keep the worry Lods if she thinks Tasmania is a country.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Didn't take long, Albo has broken his first election promise , there will be no change to the live export trade policy.

[Gointocarlton]

Didn't take long, Albo has broken his first election promise , there will be no change to the live export trade policy.

No! Who woulda thunk it.

[Mav]

It seems strawman enthusiasts are never so happy as when they make up promises they claim have been broken. Even before the election, the claim was made on this site that Albo had promised to increase minimum wages by 5% even though no such promise was made. As has been stressed by reasonable observers, only the FWC has the power to do that. Now we have a false assertion that Albo promised to stop live exports within this parliamentary term. That’s just not true. Shorten promised to end live exports within 5 years (note, there was no promise to end it before the following election if he won) while Albo wouldn’t commit to any timeframe. But why let facts get in the way? Let’s just assert that Albo promised to do it more quickly than Shorten …

For the record, this is a report published by the ABC on 5 May, a fortnight before the election:

For months, shadow agriculture spokesperson Julie Collins has refused to say whether the party planned to end the live sheep trade in a policy Labor took to the last federal election.

In a statement to the ABC today, a Labor party spokesperson confirmed it would ban the trade, which they said had been waning for more than 20 years.

"An elected Albanese Labor government will phase out live sheep exports in consultation with the industry and the West Australian government on what needs to happen given this decline," the statement said.

"This includes consideration of the impacts for the entire value chain of the industry."

Before the 2019 election Labor committed to phasing out the trade over five years but has remained tight-lipped about its plans since.

Labor's spokesperson did not set a timeline for ending the trade, but said the party supported "value-adding more here in Australia to create more job opportunities".

The spokesperson said Labor would not make changes to the live cattle export trade.
…
Exporters, rights groups unhappy
…
Earlier this week the Australian Alliance for Animals said Labor had already told it of its post-election plans.

The animal rights group was also disappointed.

"They haven't put a timeline on it, so it doesn't effectively meet the policy we were putting to them of phasing out the trade within three years," spokesman Jed Goodfellow said.

Labor confirms plan to end live sheep exports if Albanese becomes PM

In other words, the animal rights activists were under no delusion that the ALP had promised to ban the trade in its first term. In fact they were well aware no such promise was being given.

[Lods]

It's Silly Season ;D
After elections the losers and their supporters always claim promises have been broken.
The winners usually say that they may have to temper expectations or commitments because of the mess they have been left.

[ElwoodBlues1]

It seems strawman enthusiasts are never so happy as when they make up promises they claim have been broken. Even before the election, the claim was made on this site that Albo had promised to increase minimum wages by 5% even though no such promise was made. As has been stressed by reasonable observers, only the FWC has the power to do that. Now we have a false assertion that Albo promised to stop live exports within this parliamentary term. That’s just not true. Shorten promised to end live exports within 5 years (note, there was no promise to end it before the following election if he won) while Albo wouldn’t commit to any timeframe. But why let facts get in the way? Let’s just assert that Albo promised to do it more quickly than Shorten …

For the record, this is a report published by the ABC on 5 May, a fortnight before the election:
Labor confirms plan to end live sheep exports if Albanese becomes PM

In other words, the animal rights activists were under no delusion that the ALP had promised to ban the trade in its first term. In fact they were well aware no such promise was being given.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/05/05/lab...p-exports/
They gave the impression they were going to end live sheep exports and continue with their proposed policy from the last election, thats how I read it....looks like they rolled over to Mark McGowan who is running his own country in Western Australia and thinks a few vet checks is enough money spent and that mincing sheep live on a freighter or processing them for travel in WA isnt a big deal but farmers votes are.....Barnaby Joyce as Minister of Agriculture was a supporter of live export so I'm glad he got the ar$e too as Nationals leader..

[Mav]

Did you think this bit in the statement & the refusal to commit to timelines suggested Labor was hellbent on a ban?

"An elected Albanese Labor government will phase out live sheep exports in consultation with the industry and the West Australian government on what needs to happen given this decline," the statement said.

Phasing out doesn’t scream a shuddering halt to me and the consultation with the WA Govt and the industry makes it plain Labor was watering down what Shorten promised. Even the animal rights activists saw the writing on the wall.

Not that I’m elated by this position. I’d prefer a ban this term. But Labor was burnt by promises Shorten made and like it or not the lesson of electoral disasters is that you have to give up policies that hurt you. An example is the promise Shorten made to ditch negative gearing. That was a good policy but the electorate made it clear that was not on. There were too many exploiting that lurk or who were aspirationals who imagined they would exploit it on the way to becoming billionaires.

[Thryleon]

Did you think this bit in the statement & the refusal to commit to timelines suggested Labor was hellbent on a ban?
Phasing out doesn’t scream a shuddering halt to me and the consultation with the WA Govt and the industry makes it plain Labor was watering down what Shorten promised. Even the animal rights activists saw the writing on the wall.

Not that I’m elated by this position. I’d prefer a ban this term. But Labor was burnt by promises Shorten made and like it or not the lesson of electoral disasters is that you have to give up policies that hurt you. An example is the promise Shorten made to ditch negative gearing. That was a good policy but the electorate made it clear that was not on. There were too many exploiting that lurk or who were aspirationals who imagined they would exploit it on the way to becoming billionaires.

No that's political speak for im going to take action after consultation if the industry agrees but if they disagree im going to do SFA about it.

You're coming across as very defensive of the Labor government Mav.  Don't take it so personally.

[Mav]

No that's political speak for im going to take action after consultation if the industry agrees but if they disagree im going to do SFA about it.

Isn’t that what I said?

Rather than being defensive, I’m on the offensive against outright lies being spread by Murdoch and his ilk. Sky News and the Daily Mail were the ones pushing this nonsense. If those outlets claimed it’s currently winter in Australia, I’d do my homework before accepting it.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Did you think this bit in the statement & the refusal to commit to timelines suggested Labor was hellbent on a ban?
Phasing out doesn’t scream a shuddering halt to me and the consultation with the WA Govt and the industry makes it plain Labor was watering down what Shorten promised. Even the animal rights activists saw the writing on the wall.

Not that I’m elated by this position. I’d prefer a ban this term. But Labor was burnt by promises Shorten made and like it or not the lesson of electoral disasters is that you have to give up policies that hurt you. An example is the promise Shorten made to ditch negative gearing. That was a good policy but the electorate made it clear that was not on. There were too many exploiting that lurk or who were aspirationals who imagined they would exploit it on the way to becoming billionaires.

I take Phasing out as a Yes and it will go through parliament as legislation, I take not in the term of this Government as a No and we might think about it if you elect us again.
I believe Libs 2IC Susan Ley would have supported the proposal as she was keen to support the idea a while back.
Happy to concede I am a meat eater but I wont eat meat that comes from known inhumane treatment sources or where baby animals eg Lambs, Veal or young Pigs are slaughtered. The thought of sheep being thrown into live mincers or some asian slaughterhouse beating cattle heads in with Sledgehammers makes me want to do same to the perpetrators so for me I'd like to see some bipartisan agreement reached where proper standards both here and for export are adopted.
As I said I enjoy my rib eye/scotch fillet and a parma but I want my Aus animals treated properly in the process...