Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

[LP]

I know of a club where a big name polled the most votes in the final game of the year in a game which he struggled bumping his way into 10th to trigger his 50k bonus. Whispers all around the room , the player was embarrassed especially as he told all his team mates before of his trigger.

Sure, the exception is the norm, year after year after year! :o

Believing that is another example of a choice you make that affects your perception of the world!

[laj]

Oh Corey McKernan.

Despite a slow first few rounds he had an outstanding year in 2002. 40 goals on top of having to carry the entire ruck duties most of the year, due to injuries, where he was terrific around the ground. Thought that one was obvious that year at the time.

[laj]

Not really. The award is a joke and pretty much fixed.

Lol!!! Why, because the result doesn't agree with you.

You related to Donald Trump?

[Thryleon]

What happened?
Did you expect him to go on...I didn't.
He played 19 games.
Many of those he was hardly sighted.
But he obviously performed a role that the coaches were happy with...whether that was as a decoy, or his forward pressure.
He did what was asked of him to the extent he earned votes.

Betts is only retiring because of the north Melbourne match where he hurt himself he looked done.  Before that he looked like playing to 400.

A cynic might say that his decision was made based on income he might be getting vs what he would have gotten to play on.

[PaulP]

I wonder if Betts moved on because he was aggrieved about the Teague decision ? His reasons for taking the Geelong job could be seen as somewhat unconvincing.

[LP]

Betts is only retiring because of the north Melbourne match where he hurt himself he looked done.  Before that he looked like playing to 400.

A cynic might say that his decision was made based on income he might be getting vs what he would have gotten to play on.

Yep, age waits for nobody, it's a harsh reality.

People might say "But he's getting less as a part time coach than a player", but that assumes he only doing one part time job!

Anyway, in several cases recently, Simmo, sMurph, Betts and Kreuzer, the time was right for the club to move on, it is not like it came as a shock even if some had trouble accepting it!

[Milhanna13]

I know of a club where a big name polled the most votes in the final game of the year in a game which he struggled bumping his way into 10th to trigger his 50k bonus. Whispers all around the room , the player was embarrassed especially as he told all his team mates before of his trigger.

The B&F bonusses still come under the cap.  So, it would make more sense for the award to be manipulated to drop someone OUT of the top 10 (or top 3), to avoid a bonus and save on $ and TPP.  Doesnt make a lot of sense to manipulate to push someone into the money for no valid reason

[DJC]

I didn't realise they are supposed to sit down at the end of the season and issue votes retrospectively as per the list management guidelines.

Perhaps they just give votes on the day when and where it is deserved?

If you think Plowman getting votes is corrupt, then Walsh winning must be corrupt as well, you can't have it both ways. If Plowman's votes came undeservedly, they came from someone who deserved them, maybe from Walsh but maybe also from Weitering or McKay. You can't know, you are free to arbitrarily choose a bias, but it is still a bias!

Most of the voters were sacked at the end of the season so who did the votes; Sayers and Diesel?

I think most supporters would agree that Walsh and Weitering were our two best players and would have McKay, Cripps, Ed Curnow or Saad in their top five, taking into account games played of course. In fact, all of those players were in the top six in our Jim Park Award.  Kennedy and Newman make the top ten in the Jim Park Award, displacing Plowman and Betts.

If the voting was manipulated, why would the beneficiaries be Plowman and Betts?  What would be the point?

It's hard to argue against Walsh, Weitering, McKay, Cripps, Ed Curnow and Saad leading the voting; their performances were overt , easily recognised and they played most games.  It becomes harder for the average punter to recognise players who are following instructions and unobtrusively carrying out selfless acts. 

[LP]

Some of us see a player outnumbered but never giving up, making an effort to win with some success against the odds on nearly every occasion, sacrificing their own game for the benefit of those around them. ;D

Others see the same player in the same set of events being defeated over and over again, and getting lucky and winning a battle occasionally. :o

Only one perspective offers some consideration of the real world circumstance, I don't believe in luck, but I do believe hard work delivers a better outcome!

[townsendcalling]

Only 3 onballers in the Top 10. Is that a reflection of our weak mid or does it show that it is an award for the role players?  I assume the latter.