Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

[capcom]

You can't win if you can't kick.  Our number one failing.  We deserve to be where we are.

Totally inadequate training in a basic effin' skill. 

[Gointocarlton]

That’s exactly as I saw the game
I’d also throw Plowman in with the ta ta group

The truth is that all of Setterfield, Curnow, Martin, Plowman, Newnes are barely AFL standard, whilst Kennedy, Newman are too often average. Fogarty ison the cusp. Martin hot and cold

Way too many passengers

I'm prepared to give Martin a chance as he has shown his skill and talent in the past. The sooner we find out if the likes of Kemp, Ramsey, Honey, Philp are any good, they sooner we can move the others on. What we learnt today was the diabolical decision to delist KPD cover (and not replace them) in Macreadie, Goodard and to an extent B Silvagni for the day like today  where we lost Jones, Weitering or heaven forbid both. Plowman gave away 20kg and god knows how many cms to Ratta Tat Tat so he was on a hiding to nothing. I would have delisted Marchbank and kept someone like Goodard personally. We got OMac as cover but he his injured.

[laj]

I'm prepared to give Martin a chance as he has shown his skill and talent in the past. The sooner we find out if the likes of Kemp, Ramsey, Honey, Philp are any good, they sooner we can move the others on. What we learnt today was the diabolical decision to delist KPD cover (and not replace them) in Macreadie, Goodard and to an extent B Silvagni for the day like today  where we lost Jones, Weitering or heaven forbid both. Plowman gave away 20kg and god knows how many cms to Ratta Tat Tat so he was on a hiding to nothing. I would have delisted Marchbank and kept someone like Goodard personally. We got OMac as cover but he his injured.

Kerr would be pretty handy right now too. Wasn't as if he couldn't play.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'm prepared to give Martin a chance as he has shown his skill and talent in the past. The sooner we find out if the likes of Kemp, Ramsey, Honey, Philp are any good, they sooner we can move the others on. What we learnt today was the diabolical decision to delist KPD cover (and not replace them) in Macreadie, Goodard and to an extent B Silvagni for the day like today  where we lost Jones, Weitering or heaven forbid both. Plowman gave away 20kg and god knows how many cms to Ratta Tat Tat so he was on a hiding to nothing. I would have delisted Marchbank and kept someone like Goodard personally. We got OMac as cover but he his injured.

Fully agree and I'll keep saying it but we knew mid season draft we had most of those injuries and were only tempting fate with either Jones or Weitering getting injured and should have recruited a taller KP type who could play both ends instead of Boyd.
Plowman got lucky that Esava is a spud and couldnt take a mark to save himself but we wont get that lucky every week and the
list management team have to wear this and not the poor coach who has to make do with what he has left.
The list management team knew the only replacement KP player McDonald was injured but did nothing about....you never know but that one taller player may have made all the difference today.

[laj]

Fully agree and I'll keep saying it but we knew mid season draft we had most of those injuries and were only tempting fate with either Jones or Weitering getting injured and should have recruited a taller KP type who could play both ends instead of Boyd.
Plowman got lucky that Esava is a spud and couldnt take a mark to save himself but we wont get that lucky every week and the
list management team have to wear this and not the poor coach who has to make do with what he has left.
The list management team knew the only replacement KP player McDonald was injured but did nothing about....you never know but that one taller play may have made all the difference today.

An extra tall down back meant we wouldn't have had too play an extra there. It meant the like of Stewart was able intercept all day as it meant they had an extra too.

[shawny]

I'm prepared to give Martin a chance as he has shown his skill and talent in the past.

The better teams would never have paid what we did for this bloke. And yet there are still those who want to give him more chances.

Cameo player and even then it’s when it matters little then goes missing for big chunks of games and rarely if ever influences the outcome. Sadly we are paying A grade rates on a bloke that is nothing more then a C grader at best.

[PaulP]

An extra tall back would have helped for sure, but I'm not convinced it was the difference. I think the back 6/7 did a great job. Apart from goal kicking, I think ball use, decision making and pressure up the ground were bigger issues tonight. Teague said in the post match that even though we laid the same number of tackles as the Cats, our tackles weren't effective because the Cats players too often were able to dish off and keep the ball moving.

One of our poorer games for the year IMO. Apart from the 1st q, the game was played mostly on their terms.

[northernblue]

Late to the party, so please excuse me but [member=64]PaulP[/member] you mentioned in the in game thread about Plowman playing on Radagalea (sp?)
Who do you think should have manned him ?

[ElwoodBlues1]

An extra tall back would have helped for sure, but I'm not convinced it was the difference. I think the back 6/7 did a great job. Apart from goal kicking, I think ball use, decision making and pressure up the ground were bigger issues tonight. Teague said in the post match that even though we laid the same number of tackles as the Cats, our tackles weren't effective because the Cats players too often were able to dish off and keep the ball moving.

One of our poorer games for the year IMO. Apart from the 1st q, the game was played mostly on their terms.

Effective tackles should be a stat as should failed tackles.......when you only play five players down forward you are always going be playing the game on the other teams terms and in their half. Thought our defenders did a good job and in Weiterings case a great job.....

[PaulP]

Late to the party, so please excuse me but [member=64]PaulP[/member] you mentioned in the in game thread about Plowman playing on Radagalea (sp?)
Who do you think should have manned him ?

There wasn't really anyone else to do the job. It was a comment about our selection circumstances rather than a knock on Plowman. But Esava was not the reason we lost tonight.