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Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS
(06-20-2021, 09:05 AM)laj link Wrote:Those two plus Rainer were standouts in the under 18s. We didn't didn't take Dow he would've been snapped up at 4. We did a 5hit job at developing him.
If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.
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(06-20-2021, 05:39 AM)LP link Wrote:That can be as much as sign of disbelief, it can be a laugh of "I can't believe they are serving that crap up!"

Cmon LP get with the narrative.
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I was amazed at how little intensity we had in our game last night. After 2 weeks of scrutiny I (stupidly) thought they would have some sort of reaction and finally play with an AFL level intent.

Instead we got well beaten for disposals and tackles. With GWS players frequently able to stroll out of the middle. 

I would drop Newnes, Docherty and Jack Martin ( and 3 or 4 others).

Dropping the captain would send a signal..... finally. And his form is woeful.

Play Honey and Carroll at a minimum.

The team needs an electric shock.
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(06-20-2021, 11:48 AM)jeza link Wrote:I was amazed at how little intensity we had in our game last night. After 2 weeks of scrutiny I (stupidly) thought they would have some sort of reaction and finally play with an AFL level intent.

Instead we got well beaten for disposals and tackles. With GWS players frequently able to stroll out of the middle. 

I would drop Newnes, Docherty and Jack Martin ( and 3 or 4 others).

Dropping the captain would send a signal..... finally. And his form is woeful.

Play Honey and Carroll at a minimum.

The team needs an electric shock.
Sic em Rex...I mean Krudd!!
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(06-20-2021, 10:43 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.
I'll respectfully disagree,  his disposal is some of the worst I have seen at senior level by foot or hand...he did a left hand handpass vs GWS that resembled something along the lines of Paul Bower. It was unco, and fell short of its mark which was about 1-2m.
If we have to teach players remedial skills after 4 years on a senior list then we have real problems......if I could combine Dow and LOB then we might have a player but both lack what the other one has and for top ten picks thats a fail.
We will have to persist with Paddy because there is sweetFA in the VFL to replace him with that deserves a game....Carroll is promising but a lightweight kid, ditto Ramsay.
If I could I'd pick  Radovanovic  and  Crocker for next week I would.......maybe Levi, Honey as ins  and Carroll as the sub as to give him a taste rather than a full game and not have him knocked around.
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(06-20-2021, 12:34 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'll respectfully disagree,  his disposal is some of the worst I have seen at senior level by foot or hand...he did a left hand handpass vs GWS that resembled something along the lines of Paul Bower. It was unco, and fell short of its mark which was about 1-2m.
If we have to teach players remedial skills after 4 years on a senior list then we have real problems......if I could combine Dow and LOB then we might have a player but both lack what the other one has and for top ten picks thats a fail.
We will have to persist with Paddy because there is sweetFA in the VFL to replace him with that deserves a game....Carroll is promising but a lightweight kid, ditto Ramsay.
If I could I'd pick  Radovanovic  and  Crocker for next week I would.......maybe Levi, Honey as ins  and Carroll as the sub as to give him a taste rather than a full game and not have him knocked around.
No probs EB, my point was that the damage to Dow was done by us day 1, well before the GWS game. I'm suggesting a club better equipped to develop and nurture young talent would have done a better job with Dow in his first few years. Just my opinion mate.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(06-20-2021, 10:43 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.

Good chance that is right.
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Interesting to see Ross Lyon coming out and saying that Adam Cerra is the perfect fit for us and we should try to get him even if it means a package deal of SPS and/or Fisher.....maybe Ross submitting his coaching application in a roundabout way?
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(06-20-2021, 10:43 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.

Interesting you say that GTC as I was listening to the radio this morning on 3AW at 7:25am, there is a jerno, forget his name and he quoted Scott Drapper from Essendon, who said that Dow roved to him during lockdown, in a scratch match that was organised between 3 clubs, Carlton, Essendon and the Swans. He said, of Dow, that he thought he was one of the better midfielders that he has seen and played with currently in the AFL.

You can read the report in the link below. O'keefe highlights Dow and Kennedy output.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/950567...atch-match

So is it between the ears or is it that he cannot bridge the gap between VFL and AFL like a lot of players who great VFL players but just cannot make it in the AFL.
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(06-21-2021, 01:17 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:Interesting to see Ross Lyon coming out and saying that Adam Cerra is the perfect fit for us and we should try to get him even if it means a package deal of SPS and/or Fisher.....maybe Ross submitting his coaching application in a roundabout way?

I would keep Fisher. SPS can go if his heart is not in it.
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