Football Department Review

[jeza]

Don't wait. Send Cripps packing now.

Fresh start, new coach, new captains.

We should probably delist Doc too right. And then there's the vice-captains - we can't have them hanging around like bad smells. So I guess that's Weitering gone. Let's do this properly right?

[Micky0]

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Sayers goes to Sydney, openly asking players allegedly about how things are - end of may.

Review announced shortly thereafter.

After much procrastination, Cripps signs a 6 year deal a few weeks after that.

So - as some have alluded to - the review was a rouse to move on DT.  Cripps and DT seem to have had some fracture in their relationship. Cripps get signed up out of the blue to be a blue for life.

I love Cripps and don’t want him to go - he has value for us big time no doubt about it. Don’t see him as a tool.  Maybe Dt wasn’t the right fit, ans I could stomach that, If the board hadnt made such a bloody mess of doing this right. Also I hate Lyon so that will never work for me.

[PaulP]

As much as I hate to admit it, it may well be the only way forward from this mess, and as I've posted before it is not without risk, but that doesn't mean it is not the right direction to go in.

I can't accept that the report of a dissatisfied playing list torpedoed the coach if that dissatisfied list is made up of spuds and list cloggers. If the also-rans were the problem you cut half the list before you'd cut Weiters, BigH, Walsh, Cripps, De Koning, etc., etc.. So it has to be the case that some significant talent torpedoed the coach, and that is therefore a massive problem if the playing list remains configured as it currently is. Fans do not appreciate what this means, they aren't thinking deeply enough about it, they look at players through rose coloured glasses.

I think I wrote this the other day, "There is a rotten Apple Jim!" it's a line I pinched from a movie, it has to be the case, and we need it removed before the whole lot goes off! Changing coaches won't make a shred of difference.

According to one of those 3 Fox articles I linked earlier :

Teague’s camp believes key figures played pivotal roles in his sacking. They point to Stephen Silvagni – a long-time critic of CEO Cain Liddle and footy boss Brad Lloyd’s appointment - and his close friendship with board member Craig Mathieson. They argue that Marc Murphy, frustrated at the way his career finished, was one of several players to openly express disenchantment with the coach in the back half of the season to other players.

Jack Silvagni is now likely to stay on a multi-year deal, but the club had been privately hopeful he would find a new home in the trade period until recently, despite improved vastly form. There was a suspicion from the Teague camp that he was on a similar wavelength to Murphy.

Co-captain Patrick Cripps publicly defended his coach earlier this week, but behind the scenes he was aware of grumblings from teammates around the coach. Fair or otherwise, Teague said he was hurt by suggestions he had lost the playing group.

[kruddler]

We should probably delist Doc too right. And then there's the vice-captains - we can't have them hanging around like bad smells. So I guess that's Weitering gone. Let's do this properly right?

Thats the emotion speaking.

I've gone through this before, but let me try again. Tell me which points you disagree with and why.
1. Cripps' body is breaking down on a relatively regular basis.
2. Cripps' does not run defensively, and if he does, he couldn't catch a cold.
3. Cripps' kicking skills make Levi look like Darren Jarman.
4. Cripps' performances since he's become captain are more about him, than helping his teammates.
5. Cripps' value is about as high as it could be right now.
6. Cripps' value in another 12 months of poor performance could see a dramatic fall in his value.
7. Cripps' is a bull. But even bulls need to be put out to pasture eventually. Cash in now.
8. Cripps' has done plenty for our club, and i thank him for it, but the best thing he could do for the club now is to walk out the door and send a couple 1st round picks back in the process.

So, tell me which one of those 8 you disagree with.
Notice none of them have anything to do with rumoured coaching issues. Which means it is not necessarily about his standing within the team, but more with him and his performance. Thus, their is no correlation with him and the other leaders you brought up.

[PaulP]

If we believe that article, Cripps was a sounding board and merely "aware" of grumblings, without necessarily being a contributor.

[LP]

According to one of those 3 Fox articles I linked earlier :

Teague’s camp believes key figures played pivotal roles in his sacking. They point to Stephen Silvagni – a long-time critic of CEO Cain Liddle and footy boss Brad Lloyd’s appointment - and his close friendship with board member Craig Mathieson. They argue that Marc Murphy, frustrated at the way his career finished, was one of several players to openly express disenchantment with the coach in the back half of the season to other players.

Yes, I'm aware of the factional stuff within the club, but think about what this means if you believe that is true about SOS. For a start how can they keep his boy?

btw., You know I had warned about this argy bargy, the SOS / Lyon Coterie, if we get Lyon there will be another round of shizen hitting the fan. Liddle might get the bum rush along with Lloyd. I know right now fans do not see it, but it's almost inevitable that if we get Lyon there is a fall out with Liddle and Lloyd. Which to me is a pity because Liddle on a commercial perspective is A-Grade.

So what does Liddle and the club do to head this off if the club appoints Lyon, it would be prudent of Liddle and Lloyd to remove Jack, leaving Stephen toothless.

[LP]

If we believe that article, Cripps was a sounding board and merely "aware" of grumblings, without necessarily being a contributor.

It's the captain's job to smooth the waters and unite the squad, for Cripps and Doc it's a fail as big as any in AFL history, well maybe not as bad as CheatsFC, however to the point if they retain their position we will be a laughing stock!

Fans aren't thinking about what the media will do next, they have found the scabs, now it's picking time!

[PaulP]

A very simple and much cheaper solution to all this is let the players coach themselves. Make one of them a player coach and just be done with it. It's old school. Big Nick can give us a few tips. Do it for one season, and if it doesn't work, get Clarkson in 2023.

[kruddler]

It's the captain's job to smooth the waters and unite the squad, for Cripps and Doc it's a fail as big as any in AFL history, to the point if they retain their position we will be a laughing stock!

Fans aren't thinking about what the media will do next, they have found the scabs, now it's picking time!

Exactly, beat me to it.

The captain is kinda the coaches 2IC. Cripps hung the coach out to dry.

[cookie2]

Yes, I'm aware of the factional stuff within the club, but think about what this means if you believe that is true about SOS. For a start how can they keep his boy?

btw., You know I had warned about this argy bargy, the SOS / Lyon Coterie, if we get Lyon there will be another round of shizen hitting the fan. Liddle might get the bum rush along with Lloyd. I know right now fans do not see it, but it's almost inevitable that if we get Lyon there is a fall out with Liddle and Lloyd. Which to me is a pity because Liddle on a commercial perspective is A-Grade.

So if the club appoints Lyon, it would be prudent of Liddle and Lloyd to remove Jack, leaving Stephen toothless.

So Lyon could be the Trojan Horse for an eventual takeover.