Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

[PaulP]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/t...avid-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

[shawny]

Wrong match up. Love Stocker he throws himself at the ball, no fear and does not take a backward step. Saw him do it a couple of times yesterday. This is the player we need in the midfield not the back pocket on a guy who can jump on Gawn's head from side on. To mobile and experienced for a guy who has only 10 games of AFL experience.

Why can you and I see that but the coaches can’t.

Poor stocker has been thrown to the wolves with the players he has manned this year. Hard to mount a case we are trying to win for the now when we play a bloke with 10 games to his name on the comps best and most dangerous forwards week week out.
He has done very well imo and is one positive for me and shows more then guys we have waited 5 years for. All in under a dozen games. This kid looks to have what it takes and will be a long term player imo.

[laj]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/t...avid-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

As far as red time goals we've been doing that since the decade before last.

It's nice to know we have alot of defenders who don't like to defend...lol. No wonder they chose Carlton.

[Gointocarlton]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/t...avid-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

I commented in the in game if we had done any research on our opponents as it appeared to me we hadn't. In a depleted side, I would have thought the main ones we had to plan for and negate (as much as possible) were Nic Nat, Darling, Gaff, Sheed and Ryan. Other than Darling, we seemed clueless with the others and that comes down to the coaching team. King backs that up.

[Blue Moon]

I actually like Teague's post match press conferences. I like the lack of histrionics, his openness and his identification of problems. I think that by coaching from the sidelines against WCE he finally got to see close up the fundamental lack of passion our players play with. Mark Maclure identified the problem earlier in the year in that we don't play as a team. He also identified that the solution has to be player driven. We have been turning over Coaches too easily and every time a new coach comes in they bring in a new game plan which has been non-productive. I think we need to stick with Teague and make the players responsible.
I also disagree that our drafting and trading has been sub-par. I have said before and I will say it again, I think we have a very good list. While much was made of the Eagle's outs on the weekend, it should be remembered we have been playing without 4, 5,, 6 & 7 of our best players all year. On Sunday we were without Fogarty, Plowman, Marchbank, McGovern, Charlie, & Cuningham and we lost McKay in the first quarter. Individual effort and ability is keeping us close against the good sides.
We are not frenetic around the contest or in the midfield. While commentators keep pointing to our defence as the problem, too often the ball waltzes through our midfield very little pressure and this leaves our defence exposed. In our forward 50 we often try to hard but they try on an individual level and not on a team basis. Our kicking and our decision making coming out of defence is poor, players don't take on the responsibility to goals. I understand the theory of the extra pass but in the first quarter Fisher was on his left foot in space thirty meters out yet he passed off to Murphy I think who then kicked on his right under more pressure and didn't make the distance. Harry barely scored a point 35 meters out., Setterfield didn't even make the distance 30 meters out. Newnes, who is a stong kick, decided on a low percentage pass rather than kicking from 45 meters out, Jack keeps missing them. Pittonet missed two chances, DeKonning one and there were a number of other opportunities missed. I think that is just not important enough to the players.
The administration has cleaned up the debt, is building a state of the art training facility and has engaged with the supporter base to drive up Membership, while the recruiters have built a decent list. In a recent Club survey I was asked what would improve my in game enjoyment. My answer was for the Team to win more games. It is really up to the players.

[Milhanna13]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/t...avid-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

Geez he has trotted out some cliches there.  Saad doesnt want to defend - hes actually been pretty good (just keep listening to what Cheats supporters tell you Kingy, and dont actually watch the game).  Yeah, they didnt want him deep in a back pocket - but if they had done this, then everyone would have stitched them up - "why dont you free up Saad".  Williams was OK and used it pretty well, as well as defending when he needed to.  Stocker got done on the day, and maybe they should have moved him - but do you sacrifice the drive from half back (which we are always told is so important) that Saad and Williams provide

Everyone acknowledges that when the footy comes in so easily, there is not much the backline can do.  This is the real issue - the midfield not running both ways.  We all know that on here. As we actually watch

King just rolling out some cheap rhetoric (most of which has been fed to him by oppo supporters)... thouhgt he was slightly better than that (only just slightly)

[Micky0]

As far as red time goals we've been doing that since the decade before last.

It's nice to know we have alot of defenders who don't like to defend...lol. No wonder they chose Carlton.

Ye! We have done this for years! Drives me batshit crazy!

Weiters is a very smart guy - give him the responsibility of shutting down the oppo forward line. Please for the love of god, let’s just shut down oppo In the last 5 mins of every quarter.

Oh missed out stocker on a shiny lights comment earlier - like the kid.

[Gointocarlton]

Why can you and I see that but the coaches can’t.

Poor stocker has been thrown to the wolves with the players he has manned this year. Hard to mount a case we are trying to win for the now when we play a bloke with 10 games to his name on the comps best and most dangerous forwards week week out.
He has done very well imo and is one positive for me and shows more then guys we have waited 5 years for. All in under a dozen games. This kid looks to have what it takes and will be a long term player imo.

For what its worth, Teague said they moved Newman onto Ryan but unfortunately knocked himself out. Not sure when the move was made though.

[madbluboy]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/t...avid-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

I've been saying the HBF thing for weeks.

[madbluboy]

For what its worth, Teague said they moved Newman onto Ryan but unfortunately knocked himself out. Not sure when the move was made though.

Newman can't defend either.