Pre game discussions: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

[LP]

And I agree, farcical that they were cited in the first place. If these two incidents are upheld, may as well put positional bibs on the players and call it netball. The game we once knew is officially dead.

Let's not assert the kids aren't hard though, as some criticism comes across.

The modern kids are hard but not in the brutal way of the past. A BT or Sellers type would have had a heart attack trying to catch or keep up with the modern kids! Even at their fittest they would throw up their ring after 5 minutes of modern football.

[pew2]

we need team defence /need to close the space in syd forward line

[Professer E]

MaClure was a bloody good athlete before the knees went and the p1ss got him.

[LP]

MaClure was a bloody good athlete before the knees went and the p1ss got him.

By the standards of the time, if he ran around in a modern game the way he did back then we'd accuse him of going half-paced.

95% of a CHF's play back then was between 25m and 50m out. I remember watching Maclure stand between CHF and the Centre and signal for the HFFs to get up the ground.

It's all relative.

[Gointocarlton]

Let's not assert the kids aren't hard though, as some criticism comes across.

The modern kids are hard but not in the brutal way of the past. A BT or Sellers type would have had a heart attack trying to catch or keep up with the modern kids! Even at their fittest they would throw up their ring after 5 minutes of modern football.

I seriously dont know what youre on about half the time. All I said was, if those to incidents are reportable, may as well make it netball (ie non contact). I said in another post that was as fierce a contest as I have seen in a while. Unlike many, I dont subscribe to the nonsense about AFL players (ie any of them) being soft.

[RiverRat]

Interesting one. Ordinarily, the issue of choosing to bump arises when a player hits an opponent who has the ball rather than tackling, or hits a player trying to gather a ground ball. This was a marking contest. Mitchell had kicked long and it was heading straight towards Plowman who was running towards the ball drop. JOM was running laterally and their paths were destined to intersect at right-angles. Plowman was entitled to sprint towards the ball: JOM had no right of way even though he was presumably Mitchell’s target. It was only in the last 1-2 strides (I.e. in the last split-second) that Plowman’s left arm drops down and he turns his shoulder to brace for impact. He didn’t “choose to bump”. The question really is whether he should or could have put on the brakes to minimise the impact or deviated. And in a football sense, could he really have deviated and allowed JOM to mark on the run and run unchecked into our D50?

Should Plowman be punished for bracing for impact? The main benefit of that choice was enjoyed by Plowman. But he minimised or eliminated the risk of a big head clash by keeping a half-shoulder distance between their heads. We saw with Dangerfield that 2 players crashing into each other at an angle can lead to severe concussion for one or both. And if Plowman had instead put his elbows up in preparation for a chest mark, the impact may have been much worse.

The umpires on field adjudged it a footy collision and no free was paid.

When we rebounded the ball and kicked long inside 50, Betts and Frost were sprinting laterally across the ground but directly towards each other. It could have been a massive collision, but Eddie ran slightly to the right of the incoming Frost and the impact was minimal. If they’d collided, would Frost have been in trouble if Eddie had been concussed?

Unfortunately, marking contests are inherently dangerous when players approach at pace. The guts needed draws admiration but shouldn’t always draw a free kick or a report. I remember a game in which Fev flew into a pack with the knee up (and the stops down) in a classic power forward move. He launched upwards and took the mark. Unfortunately, a Tigers player ran into the pack with the flight of the ball and Fev’s knee went smack into his face. And the umpire paid a free kick against Fev. You shouldn’t get a free kick simply because you show reckless disregard for your own safety and get yourself hurt.

JOM should be lauded for his guts in keeping his eyes on the ball and running in from the side when it was fair to assume there’d be contact. But at best he should have drawn a free.

Excellent summation

[ElwoodBlues1]

Back in the old days you had to go when the situation demanded and you could get hit, taken out of the game and it was the norm. Now players can pick and choose when to go and it will be highlighted either way, I dont expect every player to be like Robbo and go 110% of the time in a crazy mad dog fashion but there are important times in games when you have to choose to go and put your body on the line. IMHO Plowman and OMeara both decided to go hard and both players had the ball in mind and at no time did either player look to clean the other bloke up like what would have happened in the old days with some contests.
A players good record was always taken into consideration, of course there is a first time for everything but when there was doubt a player with a clean record and good reputation would beat that charge.
Now the player is assumed guilty as soon as the other bloke leaves the ground and is doubtful for the next game, if you want to appeal you are threatened with more games or a 10k bonus penalty if you are not successful.
Players like Robbo will become dinasours as the contact allowed is reduced.....non malicious players are being grouped with thugs like Steven May, Hartigan because its easier to rule on.

[northernblue]

Matthew Lloyd on Access All Areas says both Plowman and Holman should be playing next week, 100%.

Sellars work here is done then isn’t it ?

[townsendcalling]

Kemp could come in for his AFL debut as he is a bigger size, but he didnt seem ready either.

Why??  We play the long game with this kid. Let him find his feet (and strength) in the twos for the bulk of the year and give him a taste towards the end and get him cherry ripe for 2022. No hurry!!

[DJC]

Why??  We play the long game with this kid. Let him find his feet (and strength) in the twos for the bulk of the year and give him a taste towards the end and get him cherry ripe for 2022. No hurry!!

I agree.  Kemp impressed first up but he was playing limited minutes.  He had almost no pre-season and I reckon it will take him another couple of games to get anywhere near match fitness.

I'd like to see him given opportunities to play different roles in the VFL and, if his form demands it, several AFL games in the back half of the season.