Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

[DJC]

Murphy isn't in our bottom 5.

Thats why we don't win.

It’s not the only reason Thry ... but it’s a major factor 

I don’t think it’s lack of ability; the gameplan, being played out of position, injuries, unbalanced team selection, poor planning, slow response to opposition tactics, momentum-sapping misses by senior players, poor decision-making and questionable player development all play a part.

[Lods]

Ok....so everyone agrees that silvagni can make something out of nothing.

So let's try it this way....
How many games of these kids did silvagni see personally? You'd think that we have an army of scouts all putting in their 2 bobs worth yeah. Given the importance of the top picks, sos would personally oversee them, live, rather than same bloke that may or may not be around at pick 59. Makes sense.

So if we have a good track record of high picks, and a poor one elsewhere, perhaps we need to look at our extended recruiting network that is feeding sos this info?

He is only 1 man after all.

Personally I don't think his (non obvious) picks are as bad as people make out. Someone will always be able to point to a player who came after our pick who is better.....and it's the same for every club. Even still, a talented 18yo and an afl ready player require some kind of development in-between getting drafted and playing. Is that sos' fault too?

Why has nobody comments on my Austin (im)balanced list points? Easier to blame the last guy.


Again, looking at weitering curnow and Harry.
Who went pick 2, Josh shache. Pick 2....what's he done?! Nobody complaining about Brisbane's recruiter for stuffing up the obvious choice.

It's convenient to discredit the obvious successes without realising there are plenty other obvious ones that other teams got wrong.

I disregard Weitering and Walsh because they were obvious and popular choices  by most observers.

I'll also put aside for a moment the less than adequate players we picked up from other teams.

I don't have a lot of issue with the speculative late picks. (Finbar aside)
Silvagni would no doubt be relying on scouters out in that area.

The main area of concern and discussion centres around those higher draft picks.
Dow, O'Brien and even Cunningham were all high picks.
Silvagni would/should  have taken a bit of interest at that level.
SPS...same (he has been a regular player though, so a bit of slack there)

It may be one or more of these players do eventually reach a level where they're regular, consistent performers.
And yes...the development once drafted is equally (perhaps more of an issue) than the recruitment.

But...
The balance you talk about is only achieved if it's solid through all parts.
It's not much good picking a player for that position and, balance, if he struggles to make the team.
Austin may be of the opinion that we needed an upgrade in those areas, even though on paper we've had them covered.

Silvagni gets scruitinised because we have a body of work to evaluate.
It's not all bad or good, but a bit of a mix.
Skilled in some aspects, questioned in others.

Austin's time will come but we haven't seen enough of his picks to judge their impact on the side.
I'm still trying to get my head around why you think his selections have unbalanced the side.

SOS said he wasn't building a team to finish eighth..."anyone can do that"
At the moment I think we'd be quite happy for an eighth.
It would be progress.

[Pratty]

Who knows what's going to happen, but I'd take the Band-Aid off and make a few changes.

Out - Betts, Murphy, Newnes, Casboult
In - Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy, O'Brien

B: Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Hb: Williams, Docherty, Saad
C: Cottrell, Walsh, O'Brien
Hf: Fogarty, McGovern, Petrevski-Seton
F: Gibbons, McKay, Cripps
Foll: Pittonet, Stocker
Rov: Cuningham
I/c: Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy, E.Curnow
Emg: Ramsay, Owies, Honey, Casboult

[madbluboy]

Just on Casboult, he played his best football in the back line where he dominated taking more intercept marks than any defender in the comp. Is there a reason why we haven't put him back there?

[Lods]

Yep
We've drifted a bit away from the pre-match with the recruiting talk.
Save the mods some trouble...
Copy and Paste if you want to reply to any of that and we'll move the recruiting discussion into an appropriate thread.

Back to the Game.
As always if we come ready to play we have the side to beat this mob.
Blues by 24.

Stocker stays but I'd like to see him get some midfield time.
Not sure that anyone from the VFL should be promoted (just yet).
There was little pressure in that game....Honey maybe.

[LP]

Just on Casboult, he played his best football in the back line where he dominated taking more intercept marks than any defender in the comp. Is there a reason why we haven't put him back there?

Marking is only part of the role, he offers zero run out of defence and is an average ball user.

[madbluboy]

Marking is only part of the role, he offers zero run out of defence and is an average ball user.

Who is offering us that at the moment?

[LP]

Who is offering us that at the moment?

No doubt that is a problem, that Levi cannot fix.

It's a pity Parks got injured, and Williamson has developed a case of the chook runs.

[Gointocarlton]

Just on Casboult, he played his best football in the back line where he dominated taking more intercept marks than any defender in the comp. Is there a reason why we haven't put him back there?

He is insurance if JW or Jones goes down (heaven forbid)

[LP]

He is insurance if JW or Jones goes down (heaven forbid)

While Levi takes some nice intercept marks, one on one (body on body) marking contests have not been a big success for him. Isolate him at ground level one on one and you can have a medium forward bring the ball to ground and Levi is out of the contest.

Actually in the context of this week, I think it was losing contests against Stringer that highlighted this the best. Stringer would hold Levi off to tap the ball to ground to his own advantage, then run off Levi. It was too easy. Levi is does not move to the footy naturally, he gives repeat efforts but he always hesitates after a contest.