Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

[madbluboy]

Newnes has been okay playing his role, even Betts was still our most dangerous small forward out there.

Don't look at disposal numbers to look for blame as you will always unfairly target the wrong players.

The reason we lost is because their best players were better than our best players.
Cripps had 25 touches but was easily our worst player. We would have been better off without him.

[kruddler]

The reason we lost is because their best players were better than our best players.

...and thats why i did my little prediction leading into the game. They are simply a better side than us. There is no shame losing to better sides. We cannot compete for a full 120 minutes with the best sides. We are improving, but we still have a way to go.
it doesn't mean we should start again simply because we are not there yet.

[madbluboy]

...and thats why i did my little prediction leading into the game. They are simply a better side than us. There is no shame losing to better sides. We cannot compete for a full 120 minutes with the best sides. We are improving, but we still have a way to go.
it doesn't mean we should start again simply because we are not there yet.

It's hard to accept that our best 2 players from a couple of years ago, our captains who should be in the prime of their careers are just B grade now. Docherty is not going to get better so we will have some tough decisions as we can't play he and Plowman in the same backline. Not sure what's going on with Cripps but he is really stinking it up, mate just texted me that he had 11 clangers on the weekend which is not surprising.

[capcom]

Silvagni?  I will NEVER give him credit for recruiting obvious number one picks that any idiot would have nominated.  Look a little deeper for his busts ... there's a lot of them.

That's my strong opinion and nobody is about to change it.  He was woeful

[ElwoodBlues1]

It's hard to accept that our best 2 players from a couple of years ago, our captains who should be in the prime of their careers are just B grade now. Docherty is not going to get better so we will have some tough decisions as we can't play he and Plowman in the same backline. Not sure what's going on with Cripps but he is really stinking it up, mate just texted me that he had 11 clangers on the weekend which is not surprising.

Apart from Cripps clangars his direct opponents are also hurting us, I thought Lyons was very good player for Brisbane, that 50m pass to Hipwood on the run for a goal was a gem.
Be interesting how he goes this week, in a couple of previous Essendon games he has been tagged by Langford and struggled...

[LP]

Apart from Cripps clangars his direct opponents are also hurting us, I thought Lyons was very good player for Brisbane, that 50m pass to Hipwood on the run for a goal was a gem.
Be interesting how he goes this week, in a couple of previous Essendon games he has been tagged by Langford and struggled...

That's definitely an MC issue, you don't see Selwood's direct opponent run free, the Handbaggers sacrifice for Selwood to run free.

[kruddler]

Silvagni?  I will NEVER give him credit for recruiting obvious number one picks that any idiot would have nominated.  Look a little deeper for his busts ... there's a lot of them.

That's my strong opinion and nobody is about to change it.  He was woeful

Well....at least you're open minded and willing to listen to reason.  :

Let me try anyway.

Are you happy with Harry McKay? I'll assume, yes.
"Oh but it was an obvious choice" you might say.
Sure, if you wanna go down that path......even though 9 players were picked before him. How is #2 Josh Schache going. An 'obvious' choice behind Weitering....but i digress.

However, you realise that we never had the pick we used to get Harry McKay. So where did we get it from?
Its convoluted, so i'll make it as easy as i can.

Trade 1:
Lachie Henderson -> Geelong 1st round pick

Trade 2:
Geelong 1st round pick + Pick 28 + Pick 77 + Pick 95 ->  Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Lachie Plowman, Liam Sumner + Pick 8.

Trade 3.
Andrew Phillips + pick 61 + Pick 72 -> Pick 57 + Pick 70

Trade 4.
Pick 54 + Pick 63 -> Marc Pittonet + Pick 61

That Pick 8. got pushed back to pick 10 after some bids were matched, but that is the selection we used for Harry McKay.

So....in conclusion
Lachie Henderson being traded out
=
Lachie Plowman
Marc Pittonet
Harry McKay
(as well as Lamb, Sumner and a couple years out of Phillips)

You can thank Silvagni for that.

CBF working out where Charlie Curnows pick came from, but at a guess its from Zach Tuohy trade.

So don't judge Silvagni on the players that were picked up mid or late, and exclude the 'early obvious' picks, because he is the reason we had those early obvious picks and he plucked them out of thin air most of the time.

[capcom]

I appreciate the trouble you've gone to (being dead serious here) but I knew many of those  details anyway.

So I'll repeat it again.  We got stuck with rubbish through his ineptitude.  He has no eye for talent.  The (or my) defence rests.  And if you select poorly, think of the obvious.  You fall down the ladder, you receive a high pick and if a #1 is screaming out at you, you're hardly in a position to pat yourself on the back simply because it succeeds when everyone else knew it would.

[Gointocarlton]

I appreciate the trouble you've gone to (being dead serious here) but I knew many of those  details anyway.

So I'll repeat it again.  We got stuck with rubbish through his ineptitude.  He has no eye for talent.  The (or my) defence rests.  And if you select poorly, think of the obvious.  You fall down the ladder, you receive a high pick and if a #1 is screaming out at you, you're hardly in a position to pat yourself on the back simply because it succeeds when everyone else knew it would.

SOS busts (IMO) ??=Jury is out
Dow
Obrien
SPS
Kennedy??
McGovern
Lang
Kemp??
Betts (not his fault, the Richmond bloke is blame for that one)
Plowman
Marchbank
Fisher??
Macreadie
Cunningham
Polson
Williamson??
Fasolo
Glass-McCasker R
Gallucci R
Pat Kerr
LeBois R
Schumacher
Garlett
Oshea
Shaw R
ODwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard R
Bugg R
Deluca
Honey R??
F Phillips R

[JonDorotich]

SOS busts (IMO) ??=Jury is out
Dow
Obrien
SPS
Kennedy??
McGovern
Lang
Kemp??
Betts (not his fault, the Richmond bloke is blame for that one)
Plowman
Marchbank
Fisher??
Macreadie
Cunningham
Polson
Williamson??
Fasolo
Glass-McCasker R
Gallucci R
Pat Kerr
LeBois R
Schumacher
Garlett
Oshea
Shaw R
ODwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard R
Bugg R
Deluca
Honey R??
F Phillips R

Surely the jury is still out in relation to McGovern, Cunningham, Dow and SPS?