Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

[Gointocarlton]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-new...9d5f328c5c

Hard to argue with that when there's vision.

[LP]

Hard to argue with that when there's vision.

I think it pays to look at the vision more and listen less.

If you go back and watch those clips, especially the first 2 about Plowman and Wing, you find the problem is our midfield being sucked forward.

In the Plowman case pause at the 27s mark and look at the left wing logo, you see three Carlton mids trailing behind the play guarding one opponent, as the play progresses they all get sucked forward and leave opposition numbers goal side behind them.

In the Wing clip, pause at 1:01s the Wing whoever has trailed his opponent into F50, the four opposition on the wing come out of the midfield left guarded by only two Carlton players.

In both cases, we have numbers around the football and lose the contest, so much for our super stoppage types. King's questioning defence is correct, but he's been lazy in the analysis.

The reason the King analysis is so soft and meaningless is simply this, if those players he criticises do the exact opposite, if they do exactly what he asked them to do, then the opponent they do not chase can come out the other side of the contest with the football, King will make the very same claims about the Carlton players not guarding opponents. King will say something like, "Nobody wanted to go with them!"

King is describing a symptom, not the cause.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Nothing new, everyone knows we don't man  up well and our defense chases kicks and leaves leaves single players stranded on multiple opponents or a midget defender trying to stop a tall forward.
Players like Rich know if they work hard enough and run forward it's picnic time because his man won't run after him and will selfishly just hope the ball rebounds back so he can get an easy kick.
Probably the easiest gig is playing on Cripps, after the stoppage,tough to stop him getting the ball initially but if you can prevent that and then run hard enough you are going to get some easy ball, especially if Cripps has turned it over by foot and its coming back quickly you are going to be free to get that rebound kick and won't have an opponent.
Players standing flat footed guarding grass on the switch across the ground.... Murphy. SPS just to name a few who give up quickly and won't chase in that situation.
Letting the small forward get goalside for the easy cherry over the back is another favourite and we added let the newbie light weight kid out position our defenders initially and dance around feeble tackling to kick an easy goal on the square ie Robertson, how easy was that?
Lazy brain dead football by players on big bucks who don't want to do the basics because it's too hard. Supporters are past yelling and screaming, they are laughing like when Stocker kicked an own goal, even the player laughed its so pitiful..

[LP]

Players standing flat footed guarding grass on the switch across the ground.... Murphy. SPS just to name a few who give up quickly and won't chase in that situation.

Sorry [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ but critics can't have it both ways.

King is basically criticising the same players for running with an opponent, so it can't be that they don't chase, he wants them to stand their ground and mark a space/zone. If they do that then you or he will say they don't chase. It's a no win situation for them in that circumstance.

The real problem is that we consistently have three players from our midfield not guarding anybody, not picking up loose players, not holding a zone and not involved in the play. They run one way, and even then only run half the time!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Sorry [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ but critics can't have it both ways.

King is basically criticising the same players for running with an opponent, so it can't be that they don't chase, he wants them to stand their ground and mark a space/zone. If they do that then you or he will say they don't chase. It's a no win situation for them in that circumstance.

The real problem is that we consistently have three players from our midfield not guarding anybody, not picking up loose players, not holding a zone and not involved in the play. They run one way, and even then only run half the time!

My gripe is non chasing, spectating and leaving the teammates hung out dry.
I don't want them guarding grass like what happened with Bolton... You still have to chase and pressure even with little hope of success sometimes.. See Hooker vs Buddy..
Our blokes don't see it that way, often they just slow up and give it away..

[LP]

My gripe is non chasing, spectating and leaving the teammates hung out dry.
I don't want them guarding grass like what happened with Bolton... You still have to chase and pressure even with little hope of success sometimes.. See Hooker vs Buddy..
Our blokes don't see it that way, often they just slow up and give it away..

I don't have a problem with that want, but it doesn't fit with Kings analysis which is what I commented on.

King's lambasting guys Plowman and sMurph(or whoever) for following players into a contest, in other words he's lambasting them for chasing.

It lets those players I highlighted above off the hook, three or four from our midfield, that are almost unaccountable to any opposition.

[madbluboy]

King and Montagna actually blamed the coach and our defensive system or lack of one. Montagna actually said we will win games because we're a good football team.

[LP]

King and Montagna actually blamed the coach and our defensive system or lack of one. Montagna actually said we will win games because we're a good football team.

I agree that the problem is tactical / coach / MC related, but that doesn't stop King's opinion being offered like a weathervane. If King coached he'd kill a team with mixed messages and backflips.

[Thryleon]

So he says we should flood back, rather than making rich play accountable footy by hanging forward?

I had this argument many years ago when fev wouldn't leave full forward.  My argument was, why would you want him to?

To allow your opponent to make the ground smaller and flood forward?  Nope.  You need to open space on the rebound and you don't do that by sacking back.

Im no master tactician but in team sports you need to open the play and make the ground bigger when attacking, and you need to close the space and make the ground smaller when defending.  That doesn't mean pull your forwards back though.  In soccer they have to because of the offside rule.  You can't pass to them anyway and it brings defenders up the ground rather than flooding back.

In footy when defending, you should have a get out kick on each wing and flank, and one at true Chf.  This should make your opposition spread their defenders and cause some chaos.  We seem to allow them to hunt in packs.

Why?  We move the ball poorly.  Its not a coaching or system issue.  It's a lack of understanding among teammates.  I think we need some consistency in selection and coaching more than anything else.  Injuries are hurting this as much as anything else.

Stick with the system.  It will work eventually.

[kruddler]

The problem with all of the above can be solved, again, by having blokes who find a teammate when they have the ball.

You dont need to defend if you have the ball.