Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

[Gointocarlton]

We sat on level 2 at the other end and I’ve never been surrounded by such a revolting group of Carlton supporters - there were maybe 5-6
Small Pockets of abusive, revolting Carlton supporters. It was embarrassing. Had my child with me and was really downhearted to see how horrible our supporters can be. Every club has them but there seemed to be a real bogan unwashed element last night - lots of abusive swearing down at the players.  Not sure if this was a section of general admission Carlton members as previously we’ve had reserved seating so maybe they get another area at the moment?

Really felt ashamed last night. Lots of Middle Aged guys need to get themselves to therapy as their screaming and swearing in front of kids for 2 hours is not healthy.

Thats not good. I was at the end amongst all the Brisbane supporters and it was pretty good I have to say. All the Carlton and Brisbane people were very well behaved and respectful. Im sorry you had to experience that.

[Gointocarlton]

Interesting comment by Matthew Lloyd regarding Eddie Betts on the footy show.
Basically saying that time is probably up for Eddie.

That wasn't so much the issue as the fact that Lloyd prefaced it with the comment "I may be getting into dangerous territory here....".
Given his brother's role at the club is there some difference of opinion over issues surrounding selection.

I say to Matthew who was to replace Eddie like for like this week? I say to Matthew watch the reserves and study our injury list. Preface your comments with that Matthew. Yes Eddie's, Murph's , Levi's times are up, who replaces them this week?

[shawny]

One of the problems with looking at 'what might have beens' though is that you can't look at in the isolation of only our team.
You have to look at the other sides near misses and 'stuff ups' as well.
You then also have to factor the change to the game that might have occurred if the ball went back to the centre rather than being kicked out.
It s a Butterfly effect.

And importantly if a side is pressed by a team coming at them, rather than having a comfortable margin, do they lift their game to meet, and see off,that challenge.
Port last week seemed to do only as much as they had to for us to be kept at bay.

Great post! Agree totally.

Was at the game and as it was in our last 2 losses our opposition only do what they need at the time to contain us and sadly i think the better teams know if they are 3 goals plus up on us in the last they can control the tempo control the game and get the 4 points.

We are not capable of scoring a fast run of goals that the better teams can. Our scoring is hard work and labored - so get a small gap on us in the last and its game over. 

[madbluboy]

We sat on level 2 at the other end and I’ve never been surrounded by such a revolting group of Carlton supporters - there were maybe 5-6
Small Pockets of abusive, revolting Carlton supporters. It was embarrassing. Had my child with me and was really downhearted to see how horrible our supporters can be. Every club has them but there seemed to be a real bogan unwashed element last night - lots of abusive swearing down at the players.  Not sure if this was a section of general admission Carlton members as previously we’ve had reserved seating so maybe they get another area at the moment?

Really felt ashamed last night. Lots of Middle Aged guys need to get themselves to therapy as their screaming and swearing in front of kids for 2 hours is not healthy.

I was level 2 as well behind the goals and didn't hear anything like that.

[Gointocarlton]

I was level 2 as well behind the goals and didn't hear anything like that.

So which ends are we talking about? Bris Cheer Squad or Carlton Cheer Squad? I was level 2 behind the goals Brisbane Cheer Squad end.

[shawny]

We lack a hard edge in many players, it's not thuggery but that ability to lift and dig deeper much like a marathon runner who can't get themselves to the finish line.
Walsh has it, Lachie Neale chased and pressured on one leg, Robbo cracked in with an eyeball hanging out but a lot of our players won't give that bit extra when the pressure goes up. Gut run till you drop, run back cover for your mate... Robbo on Harry summed it up for me.
Call it culture or pride but not many of ours will bleed for the club..

And Harry tapped him and said sorry when he saw the damage to Robbos eye. I said to my daughter at the time that is a soft too nice approach. The best teams would not have that mindset to feel 'bad' for the opposition no matter what.

I hated Clarkson when he flooded back to prevent Fev from kicking that last goal to get his ton but in hindsight while i still hate the bloke he is a winner, he is a ruthless coach who feels no empathy for the opposition no matter what the situation is.  Its in his blood.  He knew we would look to Fev at all costs in the last to get him the goal he needed so even though the game was done he still knew he had to counter our plan which then prevented Fev from getting the goal he needed. Hes a pr1ck i know but its also part of the culture that lead to 4 flags.

If our current team was Hawthorn that day we would have kicked it to Fev to hand him the ton and then would have gone up and congratulated him. Same as chairing Gibbs off after losing - its the wrong culture the wrong look and any serious successful culture would not be part of that look.

   

[Micky0]

I was level 2 as well behind the goals and didn't hear anything like that.

Carlton cheer squad end, level 2 Aisle 26. 

[Blue Moon]

Have had similar experiences to Mickey0, had to tell one guy last week to stop swearing, later the security came and spoke to him. It wasn't me who called them but they really should have kicked him out. Yesterday I asked a guy to stop his moaning during the putrid second quarter. Another supporter said he was saying what everyone else was thinking and someone has got to make the team listen. First off they can't hear us in the outer and secondly, going on and on about the sides performance just makes a depressing situation even more depressing. If you are not enjoying your football experience, don't come, in a lot of ways these people are just being selfish. Finally, while we all have the right to free speech, we also have the right to remain silent, and just because you want to talk it doesn't mean I want to listen, so in my opinion, people should make there comments and move on and not keep going over the same ground.
It was the same old story, inability to hit targets, poor decision making and bad kicking for goal. Our last two goals by Murphy and McGovern came about from good foot skills and good finishing. Where was that in the first 120 minutes of the game? I liked the Docherty and SPS, along with Murphy, Cuningham and others starting up in the middle of the ground. I thought it allowed for more players to get into the game and made us a lot less stagnant, unfortunately we lost too many one on one in our D50 and we were smashed when the ball hit the ground in our F50. I was happy that Cripps was hand passing more but he just needs to get better at that and more players need to be running past when he does get it so we can start getting waves of players going forward.
The second quarter was so bad it overshadows what was reasonable to good efforts in the other three quarters. If Cripps had kicked the goal, then the ball would not have been swept down to the Brisbane goal and it would have been a six to three quarter, while this would be bad it is not disastrous. Finally I am not sure we can carry Betts and Murphy in our front half at the same time.

[Gointocarlton]

Have had similar experiences to Mickey0, had to tell one guy last week to stop swearing, later the security came and spoke to him. It wasn't me who called them but they really should have kicked him out. Yesterday I asked a guy to stop his moaning during the putrid second quarter. Another supporter said he was saying what everyone else was thinking and someone has got to make the team listen. First off they can't hear us in the outer and secondly, going on and on about the sides performance just makes a depressing situation even more depressing. If you are not enjoying your football experience, don't come, in a lot of ways these people are just being selfish. Finally, while we all have the right to free speech, we also have the right to remain silent, and just because you want to talk it doesn't mean I want to listen, so in my opinion, people should make there comments and move on and not keep going over the same ground.
It was the same old story, inability to hit targets, poor decision making and bad kicking for goal. Our last two goals by Murphy and McGovern came about from good foot skills and good finishing. Where was that in the first 120 minutes of the game? I liked the Docherty and SPS, along with Murphy, Cuningham and others starting up in the middle of the ground. I thought it allowed for more players to get into the game and made us a lot less stagnant, unfortunately we lost too many one on one in our D50 and we were smashed when the ball hit the ground in our F50. I was happy that Cripps was hand passing more but he just needs to get better at that and more players need to be running past when he does get it so we can start getting waves of players going forward.
The second quarter was so bad it overshadows what was reasonable to good efforts in the other three quarters. If Cripps had kicked the goal, then the ball would not have been swept down to the Brisbane goal and it would have been a six to three quarter, while this would be bad it is not disastrous. Finally I am not sure we can carry Betts and Murphy in our front half at the same time.

Great post.
RE Cripps, yes handball and handball quickly to runners. He attracts a crowd so we must have blokes who are free, capitalise.

[pew2]

sorry guys same old story when the opposition lifts a gear we go missing it all depends in which Q it comes. Slow ball movement from defense is another problem (plow,Doc,sps) . Afraid once again nothing has changed from previous years.