Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

[madbluboy]

Brisbane flexed their muscles in the 2nd and that was all that's required for us. We were never really in the game after quarter time despite what the scores suggested.

[PaulP]

I'm in the same boat. Only problem is it's been like this for longer than we hoped. We're not that far off but the good teams are still too good for us when they have a crack. Injuries to key players are still hurting us. Easy misses are still hurting us. 20 minute lapses of concentration are still hurting us. We're not quite there yet.

I agree with all that.

Dont care as much about the misses as the qtr long MIAs. How many 5 unanswered goal turn arounds is that now?

I don't know. I'm not keeping track. It's a lot, no doubt about that.

We sit at 2-4, having played 3 teams that should easily finish top 6. All the losses are around 3-4 goals. The 3-4 goal losses could become habitual. That's a problem. I'm not suggesting we simply put our feet up and the improvement will just happen. It may never happen. But as it stands, we're not far off IMO. There's nothing that suggests we need to do anything stupid.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Bob Murphy slammed our second quarter as
selfish and lacking soul.
The lack of urgency to defend and the lack of appetite to contest (was alarming),” he said.
Same old same old, our blokes won't man up and refuse to contest like their life depends on it IMHO. We had the Lions where we wanted them with Gardiner out of the game and Neale on one leg but still struggled.
If Walsh gets injured we will be struggling to win another game such is our reliance on him to wallpaper the cracks in our midfield...

[cookie2]

I think the thing that frustrates a few of us is not so much the skill errors as the intensity and pressure.
It was good in the first quarter.
It was exactly what was expected after the criticism aimed at the club through the week.
In the second quarter Brisbane matched and exceeded that pressure and it was pretty much the game done and dusted

I watched two Carlton sides today.
One had very little pressure applied to it and the result was a 12 goal first quarter.
The skills displayed were slick.
Passes hit their marks and good average players looked a million dollars.

In both games the pressure came from the opposition in the second quarter and we struggled with runs of goals against us.

Point is...if you come with intensity and effort you can make the opposition look like unskilled fumblers.
We often see the trick shots at training.
Attend training and the drills will quickly show you that our players don't lack basic skills
No way can that be duplicated under the pressure of 'real' match conditions.
But the side that comes with the greatest intensity will always look more skilled as they dominate the other team.

I guess, for me anyway,  the truly skilled players can execute under pressure. Any player that couldn't at least do that under no pressure or at training would not make it to an AFL club?

[ElwoodBlues1]

I guess, for me anyway,  the truly skilled players can execute under pressure. Any player that couldn't at least do that under no pressure or at training would not make it to an AFL club?

Old Betts might have, but he's been having trouble hitting the scoreboard, so no guarantees.
And you still have to factor in Brisbane's 'what might have beens' too.
If we looked at the game again we'd probably find three or four of those.

But you may be right on where we stand...I'm actually a bit surprised at some of the level of early angst in regards to this match which, while justified in some cases, seems to have gone up a level again this week.

The angst is probably due to the repetition in our losses.. 5 goal bursts from the opposition, same opposition players burning us ie Rich and poor defensive and contesting in those vital minutes. What has really changed or improved from the last season or two?.. Some supporters now want to cling onto honourable losses for comfort but can't confront reality...thats bottom team thinking.

[PaulP]

The angst is probably due to the repetition in our losses.. 5 goal bursts from the opposition, same opposition players burning us ie Rich and poor defensive and contesting in those vital minutes. What has really changed or improved from the last season or two?.. Some supporters now want to cling onto honourable losses for comfort but can't confront reality...thats bottom team thinking.

My ability to both confront and deal with reality is quite sound. I'm simply trying to take a holistic view. Our draw has been one of the toughest over the first 6 rounds. I never thought we would play finals this year, irrespective of what Cain "fast Eddy" Liddle wants us to believe. Apart from arguably the Pies game, the results are all pretty much as expected.

[Gointocarlton]

Bob Murphy slammed our second quarter as
selfish and lacking soul.
The lack of urgency to defend and the lack of appetite to contest (was alarming),” he said.
Same old same old, our blokes won't man up and refuse to contest like their life depends on it IMHO. We had the Lions where we wanted them with Gardiner out of the game and Neale on one leg but still struggled.
If Walsh gets injured we will be struggling to win another game such is our reliance on him to wallpaper the cracks in our midfield...

Thats exactly what I saw at the ground. As for Neale, when he came out after half time, he was warming up right in front of us and he could barely muster up a jog hobbling badly. When Williams took off down the wing in the last qtr, Neale ran him down and Williams had to side step to stop getting caught. Intent.

[Gointocarlton]

My ability to both confront and deal with reality is quite sound. I'm simply trying to take a holistic view. Our draw has been one of the toughest over the first 6 rounds. I never thought we would play finals this year, irrespective of what Cain "fast Eddy" Liddle wants us to believe. Apart from arguably the Pies game, the results are all pretty much as expected.

With all due respect Pauly, your (or my) holistic view or expectation on finals counts for very little, Cain "fast Eddy" Liddle's does however as decisions will be based on his not ours. Ill also add that your (or my) expectations are not mirrored by a very very (that's two verys) large portion of the Carlton faithful and the media.

[ElwoodBlues1]

My ability to both confront and deal with reality is quite sound. I'm simply trying to take a holistic view. Our draw has been one of the toughest over the first 6 rounds. I never thought we would play finals this year, irrespective of what Cain "fast Eddy" Liddle wants us to believe. Apart from arguably the Pies game, the results are all pretty much as expected.

I don't see progress, I look at Melbourne, Swans, Dogs etc and I see progress.
We look the same, nothing is changing, even the pattern of our losses.
How many wins would we have had with Melbourne's draw? ..

[Gointocarlton]

I don't see progress, I look at Melbourne, Swans, Dogs etc and I see progress.
We look the same, nothing is changing, even the pattern of our losses.
How many wins would we have had with Melbourne's draw? ..

Melb Goodwin since 2016
WB Beveridge since 2015
Syd Longmire sinde 2011
All have had some lows