Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[Lods]

I get that. But that is somewhat irrelevant.

Its like playing poker.
We've had some dud hands.
We've made some bad calls.

Now we don't quite have pocket aces, but we've got a middle pair. We are not expected to win most hands, but we will win some.
If we worry about all the hands that came before to make our decision now, we will make the wrong decision.
We need to focus on the cards we currently hold, and the chance that what we have will win the round we are in. Nothing more, Nothing less.
Doing anything else is playing on emotion and emotion does not lead to good decisions.

Ask yourself, WWJD WWSD
What Would SPOCK Do?

Thing logically about the situation, devoid of all emotion.

Spock would probably have a losing season.
The game doesn't follow logical trends and in fact is a most illogical game.
Emotion is at it's very core.
You see that in upsets.
I'm hoping we'll see it this weekend if the team has any pride after the hammering they've received.

If our team comes ready to play, giving intensity, effort and passion on a given day they can knock over any side, even the top ones if they're just a fraction off.
They're all emotional responses.
They defy logic.

Emotion also is at the heart of a supporter base.
Riled enough by lack of effort they can bring extreme pressure on a board to make changes.
You can call for logic.
You won't get it.

[kruddler]

Spock would probably have a losing season.
The game doesn't follow logical trends and in fact is a most illogical game.
Emotion is at it's very core.
You see that in upsets.
I'm hoping we'll see it this weekend if the team has any pride after the hammering they've received.

If our team comes ready to play, giving intensity, effort and passion on a given day they can knock over any side, even the top ones if they're just a fraction off.
They're all emotional responses.
They defy logic.

Emotion also is at the heart of a supporter base.
Riled enough by lack of effort they can bring extreme pressure on a board to make changes.
You can call for logic.
You won't get it.

FWIW, i was asking for Spocks point of view as a member, not a coach.

re Red....
Here's a noggin scratcher for you.

What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

[Lods]

What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

Kade Simpson

and

A somewhat entitled playing group who only do as much as they feel necessary, and are often resistant to new coaches and new ideas?
A group of individuals rather than a team.

Oh...and the board.
But any changes to coaches that have been made, have been made at the right time.
What is in dispute is the folks they put into the job.

[madbluboy]

Kicking straight is probably a good start. In 4 years we have had 2 coaches and about ?? 30,40 list changes. Those two coaches seem, if not diametrically opposed, then certainly very different. How do we address this pressure issue ? Because I'll be buggered if I know. Coach and list changes don't seem to help.

It's personal, not coaching.

[madbluboy]

FWIW, i was asking for Spocks point of view as a member, not a coach.

re Red....
Here's a noggin scratcher for you.

What has been the 1 constant with the club over the past 20-odd years?

CSC?

[kruddler]

Kade Simpson

and

A somewhat entitled playing group who only do as much as they feel necessary, and are often resistant to new coaches and new ideas?
A group of individuals rather than a team.

Oh...and the board.
But any changes to coaches that have been made, have been made at the right time.
What is in dispute is the folks they put into the job.

Wrong.

The one, true constant over that time....

The supporters.
The arrogant, entitled, success driven, impatient, supporters. All of which are poor character traits to have in the modern game.

Perhaps we are victims of our own success? Perhaps we exert to much pressure on the board at the wrong time.


....and before you wet yourself because you are ROFLMAOing......let me add this. Some 'supporters' are more arrogant, entitled, success driven and impatient than others.....and some 'supporters' have more say in the day to day business than others.

THAT is our true achillies heal.

I was arguing with someone the other day about our off-field being in the best place it has been over the past 2 decades. Thier response was something along the lines of, but does that get us wins? I gave examples of 'improved brand' which ultimately leads to a better, more attractive football club which will give more wins.

However, what i forgot to mention was this.
Clearing our debt and improving our overall finances has a second, perhaps more important benefit.
That is, getting 'the bankers of our back'. We no longer need to bow down to external pressures by some 'supporters' at the threat of losing income if we ignore their wishes.

We are free from our 'supporters' for the first time in 20 years.

With that in mind....lets ride out the storm and see what benefits that gives us....and we won't see a direct benefit this year.

[PaulP]

It's personal, not coaching.

Personnel ? Well then, we have a problem, because our personnel is very different from 4 years ago.

[Lods]

Wrong.

The one, true constant over that time....

The supporters.
The arrogant, entitled, success driven, impatient, supporters. All of which are poor character traits to have in the modern game.

Perhaps we are victims of our own success? Perhaps we exert to much pressure on the board at the wrong time.


....and before you wet yourself because you are ROFLMAOing......let me add this. Some 'supporters' are more arrogant, entitled, success driven and impatient than others.....and some 'supporters' have more say in the day to day business than others.

THAT is our true achillies heal.

I was arguing with someone the other day about our off-field being in the best place it has been over the past 2 decades. Thier response was something along the lines of, but does that get us wins? I gave examples of 'improved brand' which ultimately leads to a better, more attractive football club which will give more wins.

However, what i forgot to mention was this.
Clearing our debt and improving our overall finances has a second, perhaps more important benefit.
That is, getting 'the bankers of our back'. We no longer need to bow down to external pressures by some 'supporters' at the threat of losing income if we ignore their wishes.

We are free from our 'supporters' for the first time in 20 years.

With that in mind....lets ride out the storm and see what benefits that gives us....and we won't see a direct benefit this year.

Tell me one coaching change over the last twenty years you didn't agree with Kruddler.
I'll give you Brittain...but no others.
Their time had come.

I actually have no problems with the off-field admin stuff, we're going  OK.

[Macca37]

Wrong.

The one, true constant over that time....

The supporters.
The arrogant, entitled, success driven, impatient, supporters. All of which are poor character traits to have in the modern game.

Perhaps we are victims of our own success? Perhaps we exert to much pressure on the board at the wrong time.


....and before you wet yourself because you are ROFLMAOing......let me add this. Some 'supporters' are more arrogant, entitled, success driven and impatient than others.....and some 'supporters' have more say in the day to day business than others.

THAT is our true achillies heal.

I was arguing with someone the other day about our off-field being in the best place it has been over the past 2 decades. Thier response was something along the lines of, but does that get us wins? I gave examples of 'improved brand' which ultimately leads to a better, more attractive football club which will give more wins.

However, what i forgot to mention was this.
Clearing our debt and improving our overall finances has a second, perhaps more important benefit.
That is, getting 'the bankers of our back'. We no longer need to bow down to external pressures by some 'supporters' at the threat of losing income if we ignore their wishes.

We are free from our 'supporters' for the first time in 20 years.

With that in mind....lets ride out the storm and see what benefits that gives us....and we won't see a direct benefit this year.

I get the proposition you are putting, but it still doesn't stop me from feeling as though I've been trapped in Groundhog Day with no happy ending in sight.

[kruddler]

I get the proposition you are putting, but it still doesn't stop me from feeling as though I've been trapped in Groundhog Day with no happy ending in sight.

Never said it was easy.

I dunno, maybe its just me, but i seem to be able to make decisions without emotion.....after some time to reflect...and i try and look at the facts at hand and make a call based on that. I'm aware not everyone can do similar. But i implore people to think a little first before reacting. We are too guilty of striking first and asking questions later.