Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[PaulP]

Sorry Baggers, but they sound like quotes from Anthony Robbins. All professional sporting clubs want to win and be successful. The ones that don't simply aren't good enough, for many on field and off field reasons. Success or failure has nothing to do with standing for something. We were able to buy the best players available back in the day - wonder how ? Maybe that was the single greatest contributor to our success, rather than "standing for something".

[capcom]

I've never been a Maclure fan. I think he's a moron, just shoots his gob off with zero accountability. 

That much is obvious ...

EDIT - I've always loved sellers and since when should he be held accountable for commentary on all things football?  Very odd statement

[Gointocarlton]

How would we go with someone like Gary Ayers sitting in the box and being an advisor / mentor?? Experienced, successful and no real threat for the big job??  Even Justin Leppisch??  Hard edge, been with successful clubs and has a few clues about the caper and also not interested in the ‘big job’.  We need a tough hardened  support mechanism that obviously isn’t there at the moment.....

I dont think its tactical problem all the time, our problems are skills related IMO. Our blokes can't hit targets properly  anywhere near regularly enough and we are deplorable in front of goal. Fix these two areas and I will guarantee you we will win more than we lose. I don't want to harp on this but Melb got Williams in and he has fixed their kicking virtually over night. We need a similar person and we need a fwd line coach who was a successful fwd. Find these two specialist people (and may be an NRL tacking coach) and fark off 2 or 3 of the bozos we have now.

[Milhanna13]

John Barker, to use but one example, has been with the Club since 2011. A decade. And a decade of misery (finals in 2013?)

He was a key forward, or arguably the 3rd tall at the Dawks. Talented player no question.

In 2020, he was anointed the  "midfield and stoppages coach. "

Why?

What bunch of clowns would make a former key forward a midfield and stoppage coach?

While I am no great fan of John "Geez he's a nice guy" Barker, I'm not sure that this obsession that fans have of coaches having to coach the position they played is the right one??    Are we saying Barker hasnt learned any new skills, in 15 years, since he played at CHF??  He is now only valuable teaching forwards?  He hasnt picked up a thing or 2 about the rest of the ground in 15 years involved in the coaching group?

The same thing is said of all coaches - "If Josh Fraser coached the 1s, the ruckmen would be great"..... not sure it works that way...

[Milhanna13]

At times it looked like they had 3 or 4 extra players out there...that's how poor our defence and manning up was.

This!!  It was amazing how many times, the ball bounced around in a pack, we picked it up, and then another pack formed... but when, they picked it up, they were off, 3 or blokes in a chain that we had no chance of stopping.  it was chalk and cheese.  we fought so hard for ground, but they were able to make it appear out of nowhere

[Gointocarlton]

That much is obvious ...

EDIT - I've always loved sellers and since when should he be held accountable for commentary on all things football?  Very odd statement

Pretty sure he meant Sam not Mark, if not I'll just STFU. But I do agree, how are people in the media with opinions (like those of footy forums) to be held accountable?

[Milhanna13]

CARLTON’S CONCERN

Points against
86.0
Rank 13th

Opp goals per inside 50 %
24.3%
Rank 15th

Points from turnover diff
-9.8
Rank 15th

Opp pts from defensive half
36.2
Rank 14th

D50 to inside 50 %
18.1%
Rank 18th

Pressure factor
169
Rank 18th

Reckon this is the key

Points from turnover diff
-9.8
Rank 15th

As soon as we turn it over, we are fcked - no one chases hard enough, and we dont seem to be properly set up for it

[kruddler]

This!!  It was amazing how many times, the ball bounced around in a pack, we picked it up, and then another pack formed... but when, they picked it up, they were off, 3 or blokes in a chain that we had no chance of stopping.  it was chalk and cheese.  we fought so hard for ground, but they were able to make it appear out of nowhere

Simple explanation for that. We do not run both ways. When I say we, my finger is pointing directly at the skipper.

How many times was he running with the ball and had support with him but he did it all himself and.... ultimately turned it over.
So when that happens Cripps man has run off and is free. Whoever was running with cripps has also lost their man. So there is 2 or 3 l
players free from a turnover that shouldn't have happened.

Instead, give off the handball, let a teammate hit a target.  Then go back into your zone ready to go should you lose it from there.

Too many times we had trammates in better position ignored because Cripps tried to do too much and we got busted on the rebound. Not good enough for our captain.

[laj]

I look at out flag teams of the 80's and 95. Whilst footy is no doubt different there is one tangible imo - the desire to play for each other.
Until we can find a coach and coaching group that get our players to play for each other we will never rise from the ashes. Those teams in the past when they went off the plan of playing for each other they could get beat by anyone - and often did (St Kilda in 95 for example). But they had the maturity to recognise and fix that, and were able to take a good old fashioned bake by the coach.
Recruiting 2 outside runners in the 2 top 10 draft picks doesn't help, but we cant change the playing stocks this year. There is no system or willingness to be hard for their mates. This will spread and inject confidence, rather than this crap of being bruise free then missing easy shots which spreads frustration and is confidence sapping. For players and supporters!

Coaches can't get players to play for each other. They can encourage it as much as possible but in the end the motivation comes from within and that one is on the players. Parko was talking that just a couple for weeks ago. Can tell you that from my experience coaching. 1995 was very player driven after failures the previous 2 years and we drew a line in the sand after an absolute flogging in a practice game. We can only hope the current players draw a line in the sand, much like Geelong did in 2007 when 2-3 after round 5, and do something.

[laj]

If Maclure genuinely loves the club and thinks he has the answers, then he should stop bleating from the sidelines, and roll up his sleeves and do some real work in helping us out. His whinging, fan boy antics are the journalistic equivalent of bruise free footy.

He's in the media and it is his job to criticise where warranted. That was an article that was very much spot on. Don't let your dislike for the messenger distract you from the message.