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Our skills are just not up to top flight standard. The clear difference tonight was that the Pies hit the vast majority of their targets, while we sprayed it all over the place.
Most disappointingly, we are just not hard enough at it - second to the hard ball, half-baked tackles, and turnovers. Our midfield provides little or no defence, which makes life very hard in our back half.
Forget the score, we got owned tonight. Their run through the middle chopped us up, which is why so many of their goals came from easy marks inside 50.
I fear we are not much better than last year...... if not slightly less so
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?
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(03-25-2021, 12:42 PM)LP link Wrote:I'm not sure where this is coming 9from, the media has blown smoke up the ar5e of footy fans about the Filth being on the slide and the fans have sucked it up like a fresh breeze of Frankincense.
The Filth aren't as bad as the media make out, and with good fortune they will be in and around the finals again.
This result was writ large way before the first bounce, nothing that happened tonight was surprise, it's a tell and a dose of reality.
It's not coming from the media. It's coming from the fact the Magpies, are on exposed form a far more ordinary team, admittedly, based on their last game but that's all we have to judge on for this season. There are other facts in my post which u don't acknowledge or provide a view on. I'm not sure why?
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(03-25-2021, 01:22 PM)tonyo link Wrote:Our skills are just not up to top flight standard. The clear difference tonight was that the Pies hit the vast majority of their targets, while we sprayed it all over the place.
Most disappointingly, we are just not hard enough at it - second to the hard ball, half-baked tackles, and turnovers. Our midfield provides little or no defence, which makes life very hard in our back half.
Forget the score, we got owned tonight. Their run through the middle chopped us up, which is why so many of their goals came from easy marks inside 50.
I fear we are not much better than last year...... if not slightly less so
Nothing to do with skill.
All about effort.
Finals, then 4 in a row!
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Call it conditioning, call it frustration, I woke up this morning feeling that we are just not that good. Just to the left of me in the stands last night were:
Betts
Gov
Jack S
Matty C
Nick Newman
plus all the youngies
Would any of them have made a difference last night? Doubt it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(03-25-2021, 12:42 PM)LP link Wrote:I'm not sure where this is coming from, the media has blown smoke up the ar5e of footy fans about the Filth being on the slide and the fans have sucked it up like a fresh breeze of Frankincense.
The Filth aren't as bad as the media make out, and with good fortune they will be in and around the finals again.
This result was writ large way before the first bounce, nothing that happened tonight was surprise, it's a tell and a dose of reality.
Yes, I agree, and I was one of those fans. Even on paper their list is better than ours. CFC fans, players and the club itself got a reality check tonight. Not sure what I was thinking...............
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(03-25-2021, 01:48 PM)BluesRock date Wrote:It's not coming from the media. It's coming from the fact the Magpies, are on exposed form a far more ordinary team, admittedly, based on their last game but that's all we have to judge on for this season. There are other facts in my post which u don't acknowledge or provide a view on. I'm not sure why? [member=364]BluesRock[/member] This was Rnd 2, the reality is one game is not really exposed form, and those good players do not lose what they know and do overnight? :o
They are a hard running, heavy bodied, fast (excluding Pendles) midfield, that puts us to the sword regularly even when we defeat them. Now to make things worse we are weakened in the ruck department.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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(03-25-2021, 08:18 PM)PaulP date Wrote:Yes, I agree, and I was one of those fans. Even on paper their list is better than ours. CFC fans, players and the club itself got a reality check tonight. Not sure what I was thinking............... This season, with the 6-6-6, Stand and lowered rotations, has made results dependant on the ruck dominance more than ever before, taps to advantage, with repeat efforts, tackles and shepherds matter more than ever. It might not be the main scoring cycle, but the tit for tat stops you making up ground once you've lost the centre break.
I hardly saw us lay a shepherd last night, the Filth laid plenty, not just Grundy but their whole team was invested in buying each other time and space! I watched plenty of Filth run right past one Carlton player unhindered to pressure or tackle another Carlton player. It's not even kiddy football standard! Fans get too obsessed with first hands on the ball, not that we got that either, but it's the little stuff that matters.
Give Grundy a clear tap and it's hitting a running Filth player on the chest more often than not, Pittonet's very same efforts are more likely to go 50/50 and it hurts us significantly! Don't get me wrong, Pittonet is a great 2nd Ruck option, far better than Levi, but if we are dependant on Pittonet to get us momentum we're in for a world of pain.
Again tonight we had Levi and Big H dropping relatively easy marks from front position, it's like they are greased up, having your KPF do that kills confidence and momentum, it's not just that one effort that is lost! Put our KPFs one out against a small defender and they are 50/50 at best, Mihochek or De Goey one out against our small defenders win 10/10. It's not the defenders that are the problem, it's our KPFs, Big H and Levi should dominate opponents 15cm shorter.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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In short, we don't seem to be getting any better. ?
Reality always wins in the end.
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(03-25-2021, 04:18 PM)spf link Wrote:So were they right?
https://youtu.be/-1u84-JkRXA
Yep. And you could clearly see that Ross Lyon wanted to see us win... he was barracking! But he couldn't bring himself to select us to win. Often I don't get the criticisms of Lyon, he is an excellent student of the game and I wouldn't mind him mentoring our coaching group. He might be just the person to wake them up, and give them some new ideas or simply how to tweak, strategically, to get the best out of this group.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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