9/11 Debate

[kruddler]

Karen, the mystery is this:

The Govt showed amazing attention to detail by knocking down various light-poles, generators & the like which couldn't have been taken out by a single missile. They even had the foresight to move aircraft debris including heavy engines onto the site. Hell, they even moved in some body parts in flight crew clothing for people to find. (Heavens knows what Pentagon staff made of all of those preparations - maybe they thought a movie was being shot there ...)

BUT, they forgot to bring the wings! What the hell? And why didn't they shape the damage to fit the assumptions of the armchair aircrash investigator? Damn, it was Gomer Pyle all over again. You can never give him any job or he'll stuff it up ...

Why didn't the damage fit your experts decryption?
He was either lying or incompetent, so I'll treat everything he says in the same fashion.

You rely on hearsay and computer models (which don't add up either) I'll rely on actual pictures from the event. All that debris and body parts and what not and engines (no, 1 engine, possibly from a different plane and could be from any location as there are no wide shots showing it) all seem to vanish from the wide shots.

I never said they put them there later, but I don't know where they were at the time.

[Mav]

Klingus, as Trump said, "'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening". Don't let them know you saw anything or they'll have to tie you to the conspiracy.

Yep, I watched the whole thing. It's difficult to square what I saw with the conspiracy theory. All of this talk about the towers falling down quickly doesn't gell with my recollections. It was slow motion stuff and I watched it unfold over a long time while texting the GF who was inconveniently in Egypt at the time.

[kruddler]

Tenerife aiport 1977.  Runway collision.  One about to leave the tarmac the other one on  the taxiway. 563 dead.  KLM / Pan Am.  Negligent relative speed in terms of a jet. 

I like this one, the guy standing in the engine... that engine is about the size of the whole planes hole in the pentagon...
And there were 2 engines.....and the rest of the plane.

[capcom]

I specifically said RELATIVE speed of the jets.  This "discussion" is becoming way too bizarre.

[kruddler]

I specifically said RELATIVE speed of the jets.  This "discussion" is becoming way too bizarre.

I thought you were trying to point out the amount of debris from a plane crash in relation to what we see at the pentagon.

I thought the size of the engines painted a good picture of damage we come expect to see.

You tell me, are you satisfied with the damage at the pentagon consistent with the size of the aircraft...including its wings

[northernblue]

Something I’ve noted over the years is that amongst new agers, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy “theorists” is that to a man and woman they think they are smarter than the average joe.
They cherry pick their “experts” add in some “common sense” and add a little personal touch/life story.

If the government is so powerful and well organised as to be able to influence so many individuals to keep their despicable and criminal acts secret from the public how then do they allow these “experts” to expose their wrongdoings  on YouTube ?

Far better in my opinion to watch reruns of Xfiles, A grade conspiracy’s from the comfort of your lounge...

[Thryleon]

Something I’ve noted over the years is that amongst new agers, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy “theorists” is that to a man and woman they think they are smarter than the average joe.
They cherry pick their “experts” add in some “common sense” and add a little personal touch/life story.

If the government is so powerful and well organised as to be able to influence so many individuals to keep their despicable and criminal acts secret from the public how then do they allow these “experts” to expose their wrongdoings  on YouTube ?

Far better in my opinion to watch reruns of Xfiles, A grade conspiracy’s from the comfort of your lounge...

Its amazing how the conspiracy anti theorists (for want of a better word) also seem to share the same hubris when dismissing said conspiracies.

Not all of them are equal.

What we are seeing is a residual burnout of more and more people as they feel like they've been lied to.

Anti vaccination...  nope.
5g... nope.
Covid19...  has elements of dodginess to it.  Hence why rolling a vaccine into it is problematic for people who are sick of being lied to.

9/11 dodgy but in lieu of other details ill accept parts of it.  The planes did hit buildings, not the pentagon and I dont know what caused that one.  Were they piloted by middle easterners...  not likely.  This one isn't one conspiracy hoax, its about 10 rolled into one which is why it divides so many opinions and why people have a hard time believing it.

I think people are just worn out from all the crap.

Remember the allegedly election tampering from both sides, the leaked Hillary emails.

All of it just adds up to a bunch of people told so many mistruths and half truths that they really don't know what to believe any more.

[LP]

What we are seeing is a residual burnout of more and more people as they feel like they've been lied to.

I think people are just worn out from all the crap.

Ironic, given it's the conspiracy nutters generate the vast bulk of the lies, doctor videos, publish deep fakes, etc., etc..!

They see themselves as whistle-blowers, when they are really crying wolf!

[LP]

I like this one, the guy standing in the engine... that engine is about the size of the whole planes hole in the pentagon...
And there were 2 engines.....and the rest of the plane.

 What a stupid statement, worse than Trump, making Trump look like a conservative!

[LP]

75 foot hole?

I suspect the above is a fake image composite of two separate images, a hole left inside the Pentagon basement and a view of the outside façade.

Here is the real view from inside the basement. The possible fake even has the chamfer remaining on the upper right corner.

[img width=650]https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8580d258b0fffec1e5c97d25a9b08f70520fd2d1/0_27_2048_1566/master/2048.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=ddb750567006fce8a17e1bae3ccb1dff[/img]