9/11 Debate

[kruddler]

So says one of the heavy hitters of science and engineering! ;D

You don't want to listen to 3400 people who design the building, maybe you need celebrity endorsements to buy in.....like the US public. 

[kruddler]

These things didn't happen simultaneously as the conspiracy theorists like to paint, they have an order of events which is import.

The fires at the surrounding buildings weren't few in number, that is fake news, the report gleamed from the recordings of emergency workers suggest that the building at one stage had a full 10 stories ablaze from falling twin tower debris. Are you suggesting some of those who died are in on the conspiracy? I can't help but feel those claims are juvenile and irresponsible, like Trump, like QAnon.

It's probably surprising more buildings around the twin towers weren't destroyed! That fact is due to the efforts of many emergency workers some of whom died, not due to some desperate conspiracy.

Those same emergency workers, along with witnesses on the street that all claim they heard explosions like a controlled demolition.
The buildings fell down like a controlled demolition.
Debris from the building showed evidence of a controlled demolition.
The cloud of debris eminating from the top of the building was the same as a controlled demolition.
The evidence of thermite, a specific military grade, in nearby apartments, are the same as a controlled demolition.
The video showed evidence of all the above, like a controlled demolition.

No skyscraper has EVER been brought down by fire.....ever. Yet 3 went in the same day....in a manner that was identical to a controlled demolition.

Its amazing no other buildings were taken out....but thats what you get from good planning of a controlled demolition.

The 'evidence' behind the fact it could NOT have been from a controlled demolition.....because it started from the top, not the bottom. Yet....there are plenty of examples of controlled demolition starting from the top.

The actual story is full of holes.

The odds of the buildings

[flyboy77]

These things didn't happen simultaneously as the conspiracy theorists like to paint, they have an order of events which is import.

The fires at the surrounding buildings weren't few in number, that is fake news, the report gleamed from the recordings of emergency workers suggest that the building at one stage had a full 10 stories ablaze from falling twin tower debris. Are you suggesting some of those who died are in on the conspiracy? I can't help but feel those claims are juvenile and irresponsible, like Trump, like QAnon.

It's probably surprising more buildings around the twin towers weren't destroyed! That fact is due to the efforts of many emergency workers some of whom died, not due to some desperate conspiracy.

That's BS LP.

Watch the video.

Hint: how hot does an office fire burn?

You avoid entirely the symmetrical fall and the free fall speed.

You're beaten and you know it.

[flyboy77]

Those same emergency workers, along with witnesses on the street that all claim they heard explosions like a controlled demolition.
The buildings fell down like a controlled demolition.
Debris from the building showed evidence of a controlled demolition.
The cloud of debris eminating from the top of the building was the same as a controlled demolition.
The evidence of thermite, a specific military grade, in nearby apartments, are the same as a controlled demolition.
The video showed evidence of all the above, like a controlled demolition.

No skyscraper has EVER been brought down by fire.....ever. Yet 3 went in the same day....in a manner that was identical to a controlled demolition.

Its amazing no other buildings were taken out....but thats what you get from good planning of a controlled demolition.

The 'evidence' behind the fact it could NOT have been from a controlled demolition.....because it started from the top, not the bottom. Yet....there are plenty of examples of controlled demolition starting from the top.

The actual story is full of holes.

The odds of the buildings

Plenty of evidence of explosions at the bottom too!

[kruddler]

Plenty of evidence of explosions at the bottom too!

Yes, but it was a top down controlled demolition rather than a bottom up.

The report says it couldn't have been controlled demo because it started at the top......which is a bald faced lie.

[Thryleon]

Any argument LP puts out with respect to covid and the vaccine needs to be seen in context of the 9/11 rhetoric.

That event smells to high heaven, and he's well and truly pushing the company line without even an iota of independent thinking.

Be very afraid following that same logic with an event that thus far smells to high heaven.

Ever wondered why we are still wearing masks with minimal positive infections in the state?  Sure, we might have a few carrying covid and distributing around but sooner or later SOMEONE should have turned up covid positive by now, else the masks are no longer required.

[Mav]

This is priceless! One conspiracy theory makes another conspiracy more likely and its critics unreliable. I think that’s what they call a bootstrap argument ...

[DJC]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technol...4/4278874/

That really should be the end of the debate.  Actually, it’s not a debate because you can’t debate a conspiracy theory lacking any credible scientific evidence  :

[kruddler]

That really should be the end of the debate.  Actually, it’s not a debate because you can’t debate a conspiracy theory lacking any credible scientific evidence  :

Hole 1....columns would need to be blasted to replicate what happened. Wrong.
"found no evidence whose explanation required invocation of a blast event." Moreover, the smallest charge capable of initiating column failure "would have resulted in a sound level of 130 dB [decibels] to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile." Witnesses did not report hearing such a loud noise, nor is one audible on recordings of the collapse.

Thermite requires no such blast and would do that easily. There is already evidence of thermite being found in nearby apartments who had their windows blown out.

There was also evidence of extremely high heat melting/cutting through steel that could not be caused by the temperatures of office furniture. Jury is very much out on if the fire can burn hot enough to cause the collapse described, even if going for 7 hours.

Today's report confirms that a fire was, indeed, the cause. "This is the first time that we are aware of, that a building taller than about 15 stories has collapsed primarily due to fires,"

3rd time ever if you include 2 hit by planes in WTC1 and WTC2.

No skyscrapers have fallen due to planes hitting them before 9/11 also. They are actually designed with this in mind.

Hole 2...collapse speed

Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

The collapse descibed is certainly possible and plausible. However, the speed in which it fell disproves this theory.

Floor collapsing on floor collapsing on floor is resistance upon resistance upon resistance.

However, speed it fell was free fall....that is, no resistance.

Physics backs all of this up.

[kruddler]

That really should be the end of the debate.  Actually, it’s not a debate because you can’t debate a conspiracy theory lacking any credible scientific evidence  :

Thats funny, i'd say the same from my side of the fence.

Watch the videos.