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(03-09-2021, 03:35 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:I think the reduction in list sizes played a big part in Ben Silvagni being cut as well as the lack of opportunities due to Covid last year to have real development as a key position player. Oscar McDonald is a ready made player whereas someone like Ben would still be a couple of years away.
Absolutely correct. If Weiters or Jones go down during the year, we have a readymade replacement who at least has enough size to compete. He only got the chop at Melbourne because May and Lever were ahead of him.
He certainly didn't look out of place on Thursday night (unlike Callum Moore in every game I saw him play in Blue).
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Struggling with the decision to delist Macreadie and recruit MacDonald???? Doesn’t make much sense to me
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(03-09-2021, 07:48 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Struggling with the decision to delist Macreadie and recruit MacDonald???? Doesn’t make much sense to me The only explanation is that OMac has shown, in the short time he has been there, that he has more strings to his bow than HMAc.
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(03-09-2021, 07:48 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Struggling with the decision to delist Macreadie and recruit MacDonald???? Doesn’t make much sense to me Think McDonald is seen as more ready made and battle ready.
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(03-09-2021, 07:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think McDonald is seen as more ready made and battle ready. It’s the battle ready bit that’s confusing - ask any Dees supporter about him and they’re very pleased to see the back of him and at 24 that’s unlikely to change.
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(03-09-2021, 08:51 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:It’s the battle ready bit that’s confusing - ask any Dees supporter about him and they’re very pleased to see the back of him and at 24 that’s unlikely to change.
Not my mate.
He reckons Oscar is exactly what we need. Insurance. I agree.
Many remember me rabbiting on about getting Jack Newnes to the club. "He won't win you a game, but he'll do a role"....and he did just that.....AND won us a game.
Oscar is similar.....will do a role. Can't be relied upon to win you a game, but if you need someone to step up and cover an injury. He is highly qualified.
Macreadie has never shown that he can perform a role. Has the 'potential' to do it one day. But never performed to the extent that Oscar has already done in 2 practice matches.
This goes back to some disagreements i was having with....EB1 i think, in regards to Ben Silvagni (and others). I suggested there'd be plenty of blokes who can and will perform better that Ben right now. Ben has shown us nothing, but the hint of some potential and a nice last name. We need to stop carrying so many of these types on the list for so long. Be smart about it. Recruit a 'discard' like Oscar who will perform at a higher level than a Ben, or Macreadie. Continue to try and recruit a kid in a similar role, or a solid talent from another club, and when McDonald (or whoever) is backup to the backup, then ditch him.
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(03-09-2021, 10:02 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Not my mate.
He reckons Oscar is exactly what we need. Insurance. I agree.
Many remember me rabbiting on about getting Jack Newnes to the club. "He won't win you a game, but he'll do a role"....and he did just that.....AND won us a game.
Oscar is similar.....will do a role. Can't be relied upon to win you a game, but if you need someone to step up and cover an injury. He is highly qualified.
Macreadie has never shown that he can perform a role. Has the 'potential' to do it one day. But never performed to the extent that Oscar has already done in 2 practice matches.
This goes back to some disagreements i was having with....EB1 i think, in regards to Ben Silvagni (and others). I suggested there'd be plenty of blokes who can and will perform better that Ben right now. Ben has shown us nothing, but the hint of some potential and a nice last name. We need to stop carrying so many of these types on the list for so long. Be smart about it. Recruit a 'discard' like Oscar who will perform at a higher level than a Ben, or Macreadie. Continue to try and recruit a kid in a similar role, or a solid talent from another club, and when McDonald (or whoever) is backup to the backup, then ditch him. Mcdonald and Ben Silvagni are at different stages of their career. Mcdonald is ready to go and Ben was a project player.
I think there is a need for both, we do need instant backup for Jones/JW but we also need a replacement for Jones who isn't getting any younger. It could have been MaCreadie if you didn't want Ben... I won't rehash the political side to the Ben Silvagni argument and I am happy we have at least provided backup for our key backs.
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Unfortunately for Ben Silvagni, Harrison Macreadie (and several others around the competition) 2020 did absolutely no favours players who needed significant development to become a senior player. They barely got to play a decent game of footy, and found themselves even further behind the competition.
We have spent a long time blooding our crop of young ones, who are now crossing that 50-game threshold. Bring on the ready-mades to complement the talent, and now.
Richmond did it - they had a core of Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Rance, Grimes and brought in a bunch of ready-mades in Nankervis, Caddy, Houli, Grigg, Townsend, Lambert, Prestia. Sure, they got lucky with those pick-ups, but they also started a run of 3 flags in 4 years. Hawthorn did the same in the early 2010s and got three flags as well.
3 flags would be great, but right now I would settle for a finals appearance.....
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(03-09-2021, 10:50 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Mcdonald and Ben Silvagni are at different stages of their career. Mcdonald is ready to go and Ben was a project player.
I think there is a need for both, we do need instant backup for Jones/JW but we also need a replacement for Jones who isn't getting any younger. It could have been MaCreadie if you didn't want Ben... I won't rehash the political side to the Ben Silvagni argument and I am happy we have at least provided backup for our key backs.
My issue was never with Ben, or Macreadie.
It was what they had shown at their respective stages of their career.
There is a place for a project player....but there is a limit to how long you can have one on your list. We had Adam Hartlett on our list for 7 years i think?!
No point in a project player if they take up a spot on your list for 7 years and they don't deliver.
So given we were in short supply of AFL ready players, especially in KP stocks, ditching Ben (who was not AFL ready) for a player like Oscar (who is) is an easy choice....and that was my argument.
In short, backup for NOW took priority over a succession plan for Jones which may or may not work out.
Worst case scenario and you don't have a kid coming through to take over from Jones (as is our case currently) then you throw $'s at a gun player from another club.....or take the best AFL ready player around.
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Macdonald is young enough to be backup and could also be a bridging player to the next youngster we recruit and or another mature bona-fide afl player.
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