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(03-18-2021, 02:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list. Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status.... I never said anything about automatic selection, gotta earn it, but on ability, I reckon they would.
But if they are not fit, the decision is made for you... which was the point... is a backup side against a fully fit (minus 1) side that dominated the game, and us, for years now
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(03-18-2021, 01:45 AM)LP link Wrote:Hopefully SoJ gets enough supply to have a fair crack! The thing with him is that he will bust a gut to make his own luck, he aint a problem.
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(03-18-2021, 02:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list.
Marchbank needs his own personal sub he has been that dodgy with injury, Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status.... Pfft, Marchbank should just retire, take up a non contact sport. He has been a list clogger for us, nothing more.
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(03-18-2021, 02:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list.
Marchbank needs his own personal sub he has been that dodgy with injury, Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status....
100% agree. Marchbank and McGovern are fighting for their next contract yet alone certain walk up starts. Both are ripped into when their performance is not to the standard of their potential yet they end up an excuse when they are out. Same for Newman he is amongst a group of players vying for the same position. He plays a so so game and fans want him replaced. Then is out and we really miss him. :-X
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Keep the faith guys. We knocked off the pussies at GMHBA last year without a snowflakes chance of winning.
Yes, Cat's may have been off a bit, but we did play out of our skin for 3 and a bit quarters and would've have been unlucky (again) should we have lost.
Miracles DO happen. Tonight could be that game.
Didn't have as good a side back then either. Think Martin and Betts were the only noticeable absentees?
Keep the faith.
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(03-18-2021, 12:33 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Martin
Betts
Williams
Curnow
TDK (I'd pick him over casboult)
Newman (the forgotten man) plays instead of Williamson.
McG would be picked if fit, possibly at the expense of Jack Silvagni
Marchbank if he ever gets fit should be worthy of a spot.
Throw in Kemp who looks the part standing next to Cripps, but is injured for the 2nd year running. He'd be playing ahead of LOB any day of the week.
You have a right to be disappointed and I have a right to be realistic and say I told you so.
Apart from Williams, Martin and Charlie the others are fringe players or blokes that when they play we pick crap out of them and then they are out and we really miss them. All teams have injuries it’s the main players that affect you. Imo we have 3 out tonight but far from a 2nds team line up.
Our time to make a significant move up the ladder is now. Not next year now.
I know as a fan you’re just pointing out who’s missing but I just don’t want to start another year like we are already accepting failure because we are not at full strength.
Finals teams win with adversity at times, they cause upsets. I expect us to be a finals team this year hence why Im lifting the bar.
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(03-18-2021, 02:12 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:The thing with him is that he will bust a gut to make his own luck, he aint a problem. SoJ will also sacrifice for others, but I'm not sure it's Quid Pro Quo around our lot!
When Levi finally got out of "Me" mode, when he stopped attacking the footy for his own benefit and started running patterns that benefitted team mates, he became a much much better player. Levi benefitted and they benefitted.
I do not expect Big H to grow out of "Me" mode for another season or two at least.
Interestingly, I think McGovern gets a selection nod because he does this sacrificial part very very well, although fitness is limiting the repeat efforts. One of McGovern's problems has been that when he gets in an advantaged position Big H tends to move to the ball and drag in opponents to the contest rather than leave McGovern one out! ( Fev solved this problem with O'hAilpin by cleaning Setanta up, not one of Fev's finer moments! ) Levi use to drag opponents to the contest as well, he's learnt to draw them away!
The next part of the puzzle, is to stop the midfield mindlessly and repeatedly kicking it predictably to the same target over and over again, even if they can't hit a target it shouldn't be to the same target all the freaking time!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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Waiting for Moneybags and Marchbank to come good is like waiting for Godot. Same could be said for tangible on field improvement IMHO
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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(03-18-2021, 02:30 AM)shawny link Wrote:Imo we have 3 out tonight but far from a 2nds team line up. Well have to agree to disagree on that.
But I'll end with this, since Charlie is out for a lot of the year, next week if Martin is fit, and Williams back, you think 2 changes and we have our best 22 out there? (Exc. Charlie)
I guarantee you there will be more than 2 ins next week. (Assuming some others recover from their injuries in time)
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Interesting this snippet from Footy Classified:
Ross and Lloyd talk game
Carlton defenders take note. It will be interesting to discuss post-match.
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