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(01-28-2021, 03:13 AM)Professer E link Wrote:There's justice and there's retribution. The legal system supposedly offers the first , and if the other comes into play, the legal system certainly will.
One thing I've noticed recently is the total absence of the concept of responsibility for one's actions in the various debates. Since when does upbringing, ingestion of drugs or mental state excuse one of basic responsibilities and moral obligations?
Its become a national past time to dodge responsibility for anything including making decisions.
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Our legal system doesn't dish out justice, its pathetic. A bloke can murder his wife, put her in the boot of the car, drive her to the country, put her in a hole under a log and its called manslaughter. Result? 9 years B&B courtesy of HRH. Mind you, I am certain the daughter did it and the Old Man is taking the blame for it but that's another story. Justice in this joint is stuffed and as someone else said, blame the parasite lawyers and weak as piss judges. We need serious legal reform. As for the maggot 17 year old, no hope for rehab, he'll be in and out of jail for the rest of his life. Save taxpayer money now by spending 25c. Ill gladly do it.
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(01-28-2021, 07:20 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Our legal system doesn't dish out justice, its pathetic. A bloke can murder his wife, put her in the boot of the car, drive her to the country, put her in a hole under a log and its called manslaughter. Result? 9 years B&B courtesy of HRH. Mind you, I am certain the daughter did it and the Old Man is taking the blame for it but that's another story. Justice in this joint is stuffed and as someone else said, blame the parasite lawyers and weak as piss judges. We need serious legal reform. As for the maggot 17 year old, no hope for rehab, he'll be in and out of jail for the rest of his life. Save taxpayer money now by spending 25c. Ill gladly do it. Agree Justice is too lenient in Australia eg Our Porche driver on the Eastern involved with the loss of four police officers...think you will be disappointed when he comes to trial.
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(01-28-2021, 08:03 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree Justice is too lenient in Australia eg Our Porche driver on the Eastern involved with the loss of four police officers...think you will be disappointed when he comes to trial. Agree, another evil human being. He'll get off, his time in jail whilst on remand is the only jail time he will see.
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(01-28-2021, 03:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Our Justice system is based on the premise that it offers rehabilitation not just punishment...
Talk to anyone involved in the criminal justice system who is truly objective and they'll tell you what an abject failure rehab is - it's a standing gag that prison is a revolving door. Not that the idea doesn't have merit, and the folks conducting it aren't well-meaning/intentioned, just we do not know how to be really successful at meaningful/lasting rehab/change yet. Meanwhile, we fail to protect society from sick individuals prone to violence. A huge and complex subject deserving of a thread all on its own.
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(01-28-2021, 07:20 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Our legal system doesn't dish out justice, its pathetic. A bloke can murder his wife, put her in the boot of the car, drive her to the country, put her in a hole under a log and its called manslaughter. Result? 9 years B&B courtesy of HRH. Mind you, I am certain the daughter did it and the Old Man is taking the blame for it but that's another story. Justice in this joint is stuffed and as someone else said, blame the parasite lawyers and weak as piss judges. We need serious legal reform. As for the maggot 17 year old, no hope for rehab, he'll be in and out of jail for the rest of his life. Save taxpayer money now by spending 25c. Ill gladly do it.
One of the key reasons that retribution -- 25cent lead bullet to the brain stem -- doesn't work, and in fact only makes things worse, is that, in this case, the 17 year alleged murderer has friends and family, and when you drop one of theirs, they'll drop you or one of yours... and so the cycle continues. And all the while a mum & dad and their unborn remain dead.
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Shooting, hanging, injecting, electrocuting, stoning or beheading people isn't justice.
Justice is rotting in a cell devoid of freedom for an eternity, death is a relief from that!
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(01-28-2021, 09:14 PM)LP link Wrote:Shooting, hanging, injecting, electrocuting, stoning or beheading people isn't justice.
Justice is rotting in a cell devoid of freedom for an eternity, death is a relief from that!
It was once said of capital punishment that it is nothing more than 'sanitized vengeance'. As I wrote previously, vengeance only begets vengeance.
To me the first reason for incarcerating any criminal is not punishment but to protect the community from that individual.
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As above.... To protect the community has to be the primary goal. So to this end, how can this individual ever be trusted to walk free within the community ever again?
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(01-28-2021, 11:18 PM)Professer E link Wrote:As above.... To protect the community has to be the primary goal. So to this end, how can this individual ever be trusted to walk free within the community ever again?
Absolutely, Professory.
Even though I work in the mental health field I have long advocated for far heavier penalties for criminal activity. Why? Because longer jail time for offenders means the community is protected for longer. And having worked for decades in mental health I am well aware of its success rate on working with offenders, or the lack thereof. Don't get me started on the effectiveness of anger management courses etc (which I've run!!!!). Anger is a far greater issue than any 6 week course can alter significantly, or... enough to prevent another crime. Show me any angry man and I'll show you a trail of destruction behind him... physical, psychological or both.
Although mental health issues may explain why it happened it does not, nor should it ever, cause a more sympathetic sentence. Sympathy, first and foremost, is for the victim(s)... their voice(s) are not being heard loud enough in today's legal system (charade).
Once your actions have led to the death or traumatic harm (rape, psychological abuse etc) of another human being or a number of human beings, I do not care how compelling the mitigation is... the community has a right to feel protected from that individual for a very long time, much longer than so many sentences are today.
I find myself completely intolerant of a legal system that 'negotiates' justice, does 'deals' around criminal punishment.
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