The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread

[LP]

Or maybe it’s like the blue hydrogen industry claiming CCS and catalysis are solutions to the problematic emissions and byproducts. A bit too early for that, no?

In terms of Hydrogen production I think you mean electrolysis which is the process of making hydrogen from seawater, the catalysis part comes into capturing, converting or reducing waste products like the catalytic converters in cars. Catalysis can be used as part of the electrolysis process to make hydrogen production from seawater even more efficient. Once hydrogen is produce catalysis can be used to convert the hydrogen back in electricity producing only water as a by-product.

btw., If hydrogen is so evil, why are "Green" enterprises like Forrest and Cannon-Brookes proposing to use it as a form of energy storage for a project like SunCable. Is it only green when a Greenie find a use for it? This goes to the heart of the doubts held by people like [member=64]PaulP[/member] , the big problem is people, no matter what the technology is capable of delivering.

[LP]

Pretty much any big corporate or energy enterprise, be it fossil fuel, renewables, low carbon or no carbon, the behaviour and spin pretty much makes Trump look like a moderate.

"That mine is filthy and destroying the environment, it's not the mine supplying our SolarPV or battery factory is it?"

"We only source from "the good mines", ban all mines, except our "good ones", leave us with our clean mine!

"We've a monopoly on clean mining, only mines that supply us are Clean!"

[Mav]

No, I’m thinking blue hydrogen might be one of those ideas that makes Paul wary. Imagine using coal to produce hydrogen and then trying to find a way to deal with the carbon dioxide and methane produced so it can be spruiked as a solution to climate change. And the process suffers from significant energy loss. Not an ideal energy solution. By the way, doesn’t Twiggy do a bit of mining?

[LP]

No, I’m thinking blue hydrogen might be one of those ideas that makes Paul wary. Imagine using coal to produce hydrogen and then trying to find a way to deal with the carbon dioxide and methane produced so it can be spruiked as a solution to climate change. And the process suffers from significant energy loss. Not an ideal energy solution. By the way, doesn’t Twiggy do a bit of mining?

You seem to like to forget the formula for methane, and also it seems the concept of anaerobic.

I sincerely doubt there will be much methane emitted buy a hydrogen production facility, in fact they might even be keen to find some! ;D

[Mav]

You seem to have forgotten that oil and gas producers have been burning off methane for yonks, aerobically.

[LP]

All those warehouses full of old SolarPV, soon to be labelled toxic waste, full of silicates, the new asbestos apparently!

[member=122]Mav[/member] Will you help stop the production, they are destroying the planet and killing innocent tradespeople?

Yet in comparison to battery production, almost spotlessly clean! :o

[Mav]

I’ll be just as active in that area as you will be in ensuring CCS is 100% efficient and all methane is catalysed. How are you going to do that?

[Baggers]

Although I've contributed SFA to this thread I must say that I'm learning and enjoying the contributions from Wingman MAV and the Spotted One. Keep 'em rollin' chaps... informative stuff.

[LP]

I’ll be just as active in that area as you will be in ensuring CCS is 100% efficient and all methane is catalysed. How are you going to do that?

I'm 100% active on all fronts, and I will never claim a process is without flaws or faults, I betting on a little bit from all solutions and not trying to just pick a winner that makes me feel good.
( That is making me feel good as long as I ignore what lies beneath! )

Next thing you'll be telling me we are re-planting forests to reduce methane emissions! :

[Mav]

I think it’s better just to reduce the amount of methane we produce, isn’t it?