The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread

[LP]

People moving millions or billions about are not excluded from empathy, decency and honest communications.

There are some rather heavy qualifiers in that assertion, and I'm sure the profiles fit many if not most, but it's not most we are interested in is it?
 

[madbluboy]

Offering Australians $2 an hour and threatening to bring in foreign workers is insulting...
Gina doesn't have to apologise for her father but stating her position and the companies position on those Lang Hancock comments and how they affect today given Ms Wallans concerns is a given imho.
People would have moved on by now if she had some common sense rather than taking up defensive positions.
The Hancock website is full of cherry picked articles supporting her position and it's such a small pitiful amount of money in the scheme of things and a bruised ego that has led to this position.
Be the bigger person Gina and give them the sponsorship in full and you will get the respect you want....

They don't want her sponsorship.

[LP]

Anyway this was all a distraction after she was called a climate denier.

I have to agree [member=26]madbluboy[/member], the media coverage is reading a bit like mob rule, I get the motives of some are altruistic, but not all, and it's the same story being repeated over and over again. Political and social media rock throwing.

Nobody, and I do mean nobody be they paupers or princes, should have to be subject to and accept social media abuse as a given.

I assert again, what's happening now is a tantrum from those who want Rinehart's cash but not the association with her profile, I suppose they would take it in secrecy! Odd given many of the same people propagate a lack of transparency as a negative against the fossil fuel industry, mining, transport, etc., etc.!

Brown paper bags at 50 paces!

[DJC]

Because you all assume she is racist and she might be but she hasn't done anything to deserve to be asked the question.

Anyway this was all a distraction after she was called a climate denier.

Gina's refusal to answer a simple question about her attitude to the genocide of Aboriginal Australians proposed by the founder of the company she inherited could well imply that she shares her father's views.  A short, simple dialogue between Gina and Donnell could have resolved the issue before it blew up.  Instead Gina decided to walk away and have a crack at Donnell for "virtue signalling".

Gina has made no bones about being a climate change denier, but that was never an issue for the current Diamonds players.

[PaulP]

Because you all assume she is racist and she might be but she hasn't done anything to deserve to be asked the question.

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If you're on a football forum, and you're trying to speculate on a character profile based on limited knowledge, you go with consistency over surprise. Given her comments about abolishing minimum wage, Aussies working harder and partying and socialising less, veiled threats about overseas workers happy to earn $2 / hour in her mines (basically slavery), you'd be perfectly justified in questioning her attitudes to the downtrodden, the disempowered and those doing it tough.

No, she hasn't endorsed her dad's comments, but neither has she repudiated them, as sometimes, as Dylan so beautifully put it, "the silence can be like thunder."

[Gointocarlton]

Offering Australians $2 an hour and threatening to bring in foreign workers is insulting...
Gina doesn't have to apologise for her father but stating her position and the companies position on those Lang Hancock comments and how they affect today given Ms Wallans concerns is a given imho.
People would have moved on by now if she had some common sense rather than taking up defensive positions.
The Hancock website is full of cherry picked articles supporting her position and it's such a small pitiful amount of money in the scheme of things and a bruised ego that has led to this position.
Be the bigger person Gina and give them the sponsorship in full and you will get the respect you want....

EB, in 2022, do you think the response from the CEO of a company would be anything other than something like "I do not condone or agree with any of the statements made by my father in the 1980s" ? It would be a meaningless exercise in my view and I would bet my balls there would be people who would say "well of course thats what she'd say, what a WOFT". As MBB said, I would find it insulting to be asked the question if I had never been accused of saying something like that, held a similar position, if I employed the number of indigenous people she employs/sponsors and did the amount of charity work she does for the indigenous communities. Again Ill go back to what I said at the start, here is what should have happened:
- Concerned player contacts her employers to voice her more than legit concerns.
- NA shows true leadership by immediately calling in the player concerned and a Hancock rep (preferable the Big Cahuna herself) before the media crap storm broke to to discuss the concerns and come a resolution in private.
Ill guarantee you, NA would be $15M richer and the player would be convinced that the comments made by an individual decades ago are not representative of the same company today.

Instead today, the first thing players, organisations etc do is grab their phones, jump onto social medial and adopt the Ready-Fire-Aim approach and here we are, reputation tarnished for ever.

[ElwoodBlues1]

They don't want her sponsorship.

I think Ms Wallan wanted a bit of empathy which cost nothing, I believe the netballers were going to get a rise in money but pride and posturing got in the way of common sense like it usually does.
The bigger person needed to just give a little and we might have had a happy ending....

[ElwoodBlues1]

EB, in 2022, do you think the response from the CEO of a company would be anything other than something like "I do not condone or agree with any of the statements made by my father in the 1980s" ? It would be a meaningless exercise in my view and I would bet my balls there would be people who would say "well of course thats what she'd say, what a WOFT". As MBB said, I would find it insulting to be asked the question if I had never been accused of saying something like that, held a similar position, if I employed the number of indigenous people she employs/sponsors and did the amount of charity work she does for the indigenous communities. Again Ill go back to what I said at the start, here is what should have happened:
- Concerned player contacts her employers to voice her more than legit concerns.
- NA shows true leadership by immediately calling in the player concerned and a Hancock rep (preferable the Big Cahuna herself) before the media crap storm broke to to discuss the concerns and come a resolution in private.
Ill guarantee you, NA would be $15M richer and the player would be convinced that the comments made by an individual decades ago are not representative of the same company today.

Instead today, the first thing players, organisations etc do is grab their phones, jump onto social medial and adopt the Ready-Fire-Aim approach and here we are, reputation tarnished for ever.

GTC, Short of a law suit for the reasons why.... I think Gina could do with some good PR. Mining company CEO's apologise for digging holes and fecking up the environment all the time,its part of the job CV.
Eg...MELBOURNE, Australia-- Comments attributable to Rio Tinto chief executive Jean-Sebastien Jacques

“Rio Tinto will fully cooperate with the Inquiry by the Joint Standing Committee on Northern Australia while also continuing to support the West Australian government in the reform of the Aboriginal Heritage Act 1972 (WA). We are committed to engaging with the rest of the industry, Traditional Owner Groups, and federal and state governments across a number of areas relating to cultural heritage approvals and processes, and the broad contribution of the resources sector to Australia.

“We are very sorry for the distress we have caused the PKKP in relation to Juukan Gorge and our first priority remains rebuilding trust with the PKKP.  Rio Tinto has a long history of working in partnership and creating shared value with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities around our operations and across Australia more broadly.  We remain absolutely committed to continuing to do so.

“We believe the mining industry has a critical role to play in contributing to the future prosperity of all Australians.”

A Genuine sorry...probably not, but well worded and what was required to move on.

This is the big end of town though...my problem is that Ms Wallan is a inexperienced kid not a Government Minister, not the head of a company or a experienced First Nations Leader. As I said before this could have been settled with a cup of tea, a Tim Tam and letting the kid feel important enough that her voice was being heard by the most powerful woman in the country.
A bit of reassurance and parenting 101 skills from Gina and it would have been happy days instead of the train wreck it is now....maybe I am asking a lot of Gina given the struggles she had with her own kids...money the root of all evil I guess...

[Thryleon]

GTC, Short of a law suit for the reasons why.... I think Gina could do with some good PR. Mining company CEO's apologise for digging holes and fecking up the environment all the time,its part of the job CV.
Eg...MELBOURNE, Australia-- Comments attributable to Rio Tinto chief executive Jean-Sebastien Jacques

“Rio Tinto will fully cooperate with the Inquiry by the Joint Standing Committee on Northern Australia while also continuing to support the West Australian government in the reform of the Aboriginal Heritage Act 1972 (WA). We are committed to engaging with the rest of the industry, Traditional Owner Groups, and federal and state governments across a number of areas relating to cultural heritage approvals and processes, and the broad contribution of the resources sector to Australia.

“We are very sorry for the distress we have caused the PKKP in relation to Juukan Gorge and our first priority remains rebuilding trust with the PKKP.  Rio Tinto has a long history of working in partnership and creating shared value with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities around our operations and across Australia more broadly.  We remain absolutely committed to continuing to do so.

“We believe the mining industry has a critical role to play in contributing to the future prosperity of all Australians.”

A Genuine sorry...probably not, but well worded and what was required to move on.

This is the big end of town though...my problem is that Ms Wallan is a inexperienced kid not a Government Minister, not the head of a company or a experienced First Nations Leader. As I said before this could have been settled with a cup of tea, a Tim Tam and letting the kid feel important enough that her voice was being heard by the most powerful woman in the country.
A bit of reassurance and parenting 101 skills from Gina and it would have been happy days instead of the train wreck it is now....maybe I am asking a lot of Gina given the struggles she had with her own kids...money the root of all evil I guess...

Gina's parenting skills leave a bit to be desired according to her own children.  She is a money hungry cow, but I dont believe she is necessarily a bigot to go with it.

[Gointocarlton]

Gina's parenting skills leave a bit to be desired according to her own children.  She is a money hungry cow, but I dont believe she is necessarily a bigot to go with it.

Her children are entitled, money sapping grubs.