Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

[Lods]

I disagree.

We had that last year and what did it give us?

I reckon we are better off this way.
We had a good year, but complacency cost us a spot in the finals. This is what happens when you slack off. We need a big off-season to take the next step.

We need the fire in the belly. We need the hurt. We need to realise its not just going to happen for us.
A good, happy ending can mask that.

We'll agree to disagree on some points and not others.
I feel less confident about the future of this side going into the 2020 off-season than I did going into the 2019 off-season.
The ending we need (ed) to see is pressure, commitment and unity
That's not masking a problem.
That's showing  we're advancing.

I don't think what we've witnessed over the last few weeks is complacency.
I think it was more a dropping of the bundle.
A decline into a rabble.
Players playing for themselves and not as a unit
To my mind  the players had had enough of this season and just wanted to get it done and dusted.
Do you really think they were 'hurting' there this afternoon.
Smiling, laughing, sharing good times with former team-mates. (not just Gibbs)
What I saw was more likely 'relief' that our  finals chances were gone and they could go home soon.

On your second point I totally agree. We need a big off-season. A harsh, ,tough off -season.
Reduction in list sizes may be more dramatic than we assume...it may be that to add draft and trades into the side a much greater number  of players are on the chopping block.

[laj]

I had to watch the game again, just to be sure.

You did what??? Lol!

[Mantis]

Lots of hard work to do and injecting more talent. Some of these guys can’t be carried. Some will eventually cut it, but some are showing signs they never will.

[capcom]

Baggers .... it's thoughts such as those that are far more direct and on point than we're unlikely to hear in most other places.  That was one godawful performance. 

[Micky0]

Still Pissed off with that display.

Reckon they decided a few games ago finals was out of the equation and played accordingly - I remember Cripps’ post Sydney game interview and he said how they’re learning the hard way and the commentator Made a comment about how mathematically possible
It was to still make Finals, and Cripps said more along the lines of its good to learn for next season - not showing any excitement or closeness to a finals spot
At all.

[Professer E]

Don't know where to start. Awful performance across the board.  Being beaten by a better side I can handle (just)  but being beaten by a lack of effort and application is unacceptable.

And dumb ass selections and rubbish coaching... We can't go forwards until we get this stuff sorted.  Ball movement into our F50 is shambolic. And has been so forever. Why? Why is this coach still in a job?

We just don't have enough blokes that turn up to play each week,  let alone four quarters within a given game.  As epitomised by the likes of Cunningham.  I know it's unfair to single a bloke out, but he's picked yet again,  he runs around and shows flashes,  and is invisible for 98% of the game.  Enough. 

And senior players have to do their jobs and be reliable.  Plowman and captain chaos have played long enough to know that they are making too many dumb decisions too often,  and those errors cost goals. Wise up and do the basics or F off.

We have so many holes in our list I don't know where to start, but some blokes that can more the ball forwards from D50 reliably would be a great help. 

[LoveNavy]

As well as addressing the usual issues - lack of ability, abysmal kicking skills, etc, surely we need to find out what is causing these dreadful first halves of football.

It's like watching somebody who has had a drug overdose being given an antidote injection and suddenly spring to their feet.

We can't go into 2021 season fearing a repeat of this season's many bad first half starts.  Is Teague responsible?  The coaching staff in general?  Do we need to employ sports psychologists?

To address your final question, we have one.....
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/587753...-isolation

[JonDorotich]

Disappointing that we couldn't get a win against a very poor side and like so many others on this forum, I don't think the players care enough about the result.

Betts' time has come and I'd also be exiting Marc Murphy who has been a great servant, but is now too reactive, not able to tackle as he used to and is pushed off the ball far too easily. Simpson looks like he could go on or another year.

I'd also be exploring trades for two of Jones, Casboult & McGovern, who will all have some trade currency for those lacking genuine key position players. Jones and Casboult's best is very good but if we're honest they make far too many errors at critical times, whilst McGovern is skilled but just doesnt seems prepared to do the work required at AFL level.  SPS, Dow & Cunningham are in a similar boat, but I hold hope that they could yet emerge as consistent midfielders.

On the positive side, the form of Weitering and Walsh, the return from injury by Docherty and the emergence of TDK and Fisher in a new role have been highlights, whilst all of Williamson, Kennedy, Gibbons, Setterfield, Pittonet have improved and we know that we have some talent to come into the side through C Curnow, Kemp, Honey & Philp.

Could be another large turnover of our list to allow us to recruit a couple of seasoned mids & a fast defender or two.

[shawny]

Today really typified us a club. Playing the bottom team with a win needed to keep our finals hopes alive.

Cripps is not beyond criticism to me. He has been severely underperforming who again had done SFA against a weak midfield. He finally gets a chance to make a difference and as usual sprays an easy set shot in front then takes it on and kicks a beautiful running goal. He then turns to crowd and gives a gesture with his arms out as if to suggest ‘how good am I’. He then jogs back to the centre with a cheeky grin on his face tapping teammates on his way thru. Now I’m not being critical for showing some inspiration but FMD he is our captain had done nothing to that point just missed an easy goal all while we are playing for a spot in the finals and we at that point we’re still 5 f***ing goals down with only 1 and 1/2 quarter remaining!! I remember thinking how does this look to the kids in the team. Do one cameo and then behave like I’m the man.

Then there was the farce after losing the game, wtf did we need to chair off Gibbs.  Hugging and laughing after the game was already too much but chair him off. Why? He is the enemy he is an ‘opponent’ yes an ‘opponent’ and we chair him off and then swap jumpers with him.

Didn’t he leave us after all and even recall comments he made bagging us when things were going better in his new home. And yet we are kicked out of the finals race against the bottom team and as his opposition we chair the bloke off. Disgusting.

We have no one with any real heart, any real desire to do everything and anything to succeed. We are a bunch of nice blokes and led by a coach with the same character. Us fans hurt more then the players and I tell ya what they are not getting my hard earned next year. They again got it this year but not a chance that’s happening again.

[LordLucifer]

We are a rabble who do not want to do the hard work & fight.

We also have a gaggle of players who can't kick, handball, mark or tackle.

We are a joke and an embarrassment !!