Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Sydney at Metricon

[Blue Moon]

I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.

[laj]

McGovern's night:
23 metres gained
(crickets)
1 kick
(crickets)
4 handballs
(crickets)
2 tackles
(crickets)

"Huge" improvement on the first half of zero, zero, zero and zero....lol.

He had it much easier at Adelaide as the ball flew into the forward 50. Often could be a match winner. Here he has to work alot harder for the ball, and he better bloody well start doing it.  Work damn hard over the summer. We cannot possibly play him Sunday.

[laj]

I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.

Not so worried about the Hawthorn game. Every side has put in a shocker. Something to be expected in a year. The Melbourne loss is now costly but if we didn't $hit the bed when leading the last 2 weeks at 3/4 time we'd be entrenched in the 8.  Those, together with a win against Melbourne too seeing us just outside top 4. Been a close year.

I just hope the Bulldogs don't touch us out of the 8 after that goal review decision last weekend. Half that ball was on the goal line and should've been called a behind.

[laj]

Finals would be fabulous but would you rather make it and get smashed or sit just outside and build some hunger for next year.

Watched the final quarter just now and have to say the last 3.30 Minutes Were the best and most composed I’ve seen all year.  Smart direct kicks, using their brains rather than try and mail it forward in a wild panic.  Huge step.

And the kicks in those last minutes, superb. Can’t recall who to Plow, who then hit up long to Casbolt and tHen Casbolts front of the square. Excellent.

Happy to make it even if we get smashed. Just help development us being there. We'd have to go to the Perth if we made it. We'd likely be competitive as we are most weeks but doubt we'd win.

[Gointocarlton]

Happy to make it even if we get smashed. Just help development us being there. We'd have to go to the Perth if we made it. We'd likely be competitive as we are most weeks but doubt we'd win.

Agree, would love to sneak into the finals, whether we get smashed or not matters not for now. Reality is its now highly unlikely, we blew our chances against Coll and GWS.

[flyboy77]

I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.

Gibbo for Cuners.

kennedy for that #11.

[laj]

We just can't seem to get all 22 humming along and contributing. Last night showed why I have been saying McGovern needs to GTFO of our club.  Ditto Cunningham. People going on about SPS's game, pfft, he can go also.
Cameron Bruce also needs to go, we need a fwd line coach that has some semblance of a clue and that can introduce a system that our "football mental" lightweights can cope with. This year is shot but for FFS, get a specialist goal kicking coach back at the club. Sav, Fev, Dunstall, someone that again has some idea of how to teach all our guys how to kick a football from a set shot.
I turned it off after they kicked the 6th as it was just too hard to watch. Taken was on, at least I know Liam Neeson shoots straight. I found out Carlton won via text so I watched the game from that point on. Showed some ticker to get back from 6.5 goals down, never should have got in that predicament in the first place. Can't help but be negative after that, sorry.

Blame COVID for the forward line structure. Forward line needs to connect with the midfield to function properly otherwise it's difficult for any Forwards Coach. Hard to structure unless you're connecting with your mids. Issue is there's not alot of training sessions and mostly you can only train with 8 at a time so that connect becomes alot more difficult.  For that reason the season has favoured established sides with highly, well-versed, entrenched game styles where you are predictable to your teammates. We've done ok considering.

McGovern won't be going so be best be getting himself in shape and not waste our time. No-one is taking up that contract. Much easier work for him as forward at Adelaide.

EDIT: Just noticed McGovern's contract runs out this year. We took up the rest of his Adelaide contract. Probably we won't delist him but her certainly won't be on the same dollars.

[Professer E]

On SEN this morning Sam McClure (?) indicated that McG initially signed for two years, I almost drive off the road when I heard that,  surely that can't be right.

If so,  it's so long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[crashlander]

Sps played his best game for the year.  Lots of critical contests.

Indeed. An excellent game and really provided some run from defence.

[Gointocarlton]

On SEN this morning Sam McClure (?) indicated that McG initially signed for two years, I almost drive off the road when I heard that,  surely that can't be right.

If so,  it's so long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Just fark him off, he's embarrasing.
Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2020 Carlton Player Contracts 
Name Years Service Status
Ben Silvagni 2 Non-Free Agent
Callum Moore 1 Non-Free Agent
Cameron Polson 4 Non-Free Agent
Darcy Lang 3 Non-Free Agent
Eddie Betts 1 Non-Free Agent
Edward Curnow 10 Unrestricted Free Agent
Finbar O'Dwyer 2 Non-Free Agent
Fraser Phillips 1 Non-Free Agent
Harrison Macreadie 4 Non-Free Agent
Hugh Goddard 2 Non-Free Agent
Jack Newnes 1 Non-Free Agent
Josh Honey 1 Non-Free Agent
Kade Simpson 18 Unrestricted Free Agent
Lachlan Plowman 5 Non-Free Agent
Levi Casboult 11 Unrestricted Free Agent
Marc Murphy 15 Unrestricted Free Agent
Matt Cottrell 2 Non-Free Agent
Matt Owies 2 Non-Free Agent
Matthew Kennedy 3 Non-Free Agent
Matthew Kreuzer 13 Unrestricted Free Agent
Michael Gibbons 2 Non-Free Agent
Mitch McGovern 2 Non-Free Agent
Nic Newman 2 Non-Free Agent
Tom Williamson 4 Non-Free Agent
Will Setterfield 2 Non-Free Agent