Pre game Discussion Round 15 Carlton vs GWS at Metricon.

[WASurfer]

Agreed LP....McKay gets pushed aside too easily in the ruck contests. If he's going to be the big key forward then that's where he needs to be....and work on his goal kicking too!

[Gointocarlton]

Agreed LP....McKay gets pushed aside too easily in the ruck contests. If he's going to be the big key forward then that's where he needs to be....and work on his goal kicking too!

I would just prefer H learns to nail his kicking for goal for now, worry about other strings to his bow later. One job.

[ElwoodBlues1]

McGovern can 2nd ruck as well, he's done it before at the Crows and very effectively.

McGovern has a great vertical leap and crazy long arms that make him play far taller than most fans given him credit for!

I'd much rather Pittonet, Casboult and McGovern share ruck duties than ruck McKay who is almost useless in the ruck and likely to get snapped in two!

McGovern might need those long arms if he plays down back tonight, he would will be undersized vs all the GWS tall forwards.
Agree on Harry in the ruck...less idea than Callum Moore which isnt saying much.
Mummy in his 200th will be out to mutilate a few bodies, hope Harry stays well away from him and sticks to nailing us some goals.

[LP]

McGovern might need those long arms if he plays down back tonight, he would will be undersized vs all the GWS tall forwards.

Like I said, crazy long arms and plays taller than he is credited for, too many write him off as being undersized for a KPP because he is only about 192cm.

Josh Kennedy is only 194cm, Jack Darling 191cm and McGovern's stats are virtually equal to Darling for this season, yet Darling gets pumped up and McGovern gets slighted.

FMD, if we put McGovern up for trade Wet Toast will be wetting themselves to get hold of him as a replacement for Kennedy who is now going on 34!

I feel there is a lot of unjustified anti-McGovern sentiment that is more resentment about his money deal, but that is caused by our club not McGovern's fault. Have a look at Martin by comparison, on as much if not more, and has been average now for quite a few games, but has escaped scrutiny because of a reasonable run of startup games. McGovern hasn't played consistently, which has made him a target, but he has probably had as many good minutes as Martin.

[WASurfer]

LP....I think we'd want to be absolutely certain Charlie Curnow can get back before looking at a McGovern trade. Different players I know but lose them both and we're down to Harry and Levi and not much else in terms of a key forward unless TDK is groomed to play as a forward and second string ruckman...his athleticism would be wasted purely as a forward I think.

[LP]

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I agree, but I can see Charlie, De Koning, McGovern and even SoJ rotating through the midfield and resting forward besides McKay who stays as the permanent KPF. Casboult is closer to the end than the beginning, so we do soon need to look forward.

What happens with Kemp will be very interesting, at junior level this guy had the size, F50 smarts and is a serious midfield option and ball user.

[Tragic]

Agree... I think TDK can consider himself unlucky and Brackets can consider himself lucky that he comes straight in to replace a kid with promise - you'd better deliver McGovern.

It was either TDK or Cas out.  Pitto to be number one ruck, and one of the other to be backup ruck and fwd.  Cas doesn't do much as pure fwd, and TDK not yet better than Cas.  TDK is almost there - almost taking important marks, almost getting free's for arm chops (that was a disgraceful miss by the umps at the end of Q1 or 2 v pies).  As a pure forward I have Gov ahead of TDK & Cas.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Like I said, crazy long arms and plays taller than he is credited for, too many write him off as being undersized for a KPP because he is only about 192cm.

Josh Kennedy is only 194cm, Jack Darling 191cm and McGovern's stats are virtually equal to Darling for this season, yet Darling gets pumped up and McGovern gets slighted.

FMD, if we put McGovern up for trade Wet Toast will be wetting themselves to get hold of him as a replacement for Kennedy who is now going on 34!

I feel there is a lot of unjustified anti-McGovern sentiment that is more resentment about his money deal, but that is caused by our club not McGovern's fault. Have a look at Martin by comparison, on as much if not more, and has been average now for quite a few games, but has escaped scrutiny because of a reasonable run of startup games. McGovern hasn't played consistently, which has made him a target, but he has probably had as many good minutes as Martin.

LP...lets get real McGovern isnt in the same parish as Darling as a footballer IMHO who has been AA, leading goalkicker for WC x3 and averages 2 goals a game.....he wouldnt be any better than lesser lights like Membrey or Mihocek, and has given us doughnuts for two years now. The same player has averaged just under 14 games for the last three seasons...JD has played over 20 games in his last three seasons...so McGovern essentially misses a 3rd of the season unlike the more robust Darling who can stay on the park. Darling also plays the No2 KP forward behind Kennedy unlike McGovern who has always played the No 3  spot behind Walker, Jenkins,  or Curnow/Casboult, Harry.....so our man gets the weaker opponent more often than Darling who cops a genuine KP Defender each week.
I'd happily hand McGovern back to the Crows,get my draft picks back plus Shane McAdam, moneyball Jake Riccardi from last years draft and spend McGoverns money on one of Williams, Papley, Saad.
IMO Martin has showed a lot more than McGovern and is capable of being A grade, dont deny he has been poor of late but so has Cripps, Eddie and a few others and I'm prepared to give Martin another 12 months to sort out his consistency issues before I get on his case which I will if he doesnt deliver given he is a on good money too..

[pew2]

stop whitfield /williams run from our fwd line is a priority

[ElwoodBlues1]

stop whitfield /williams run from our fwd line is a priority

Yep Whitfield played off half back last week and started many attacks with his run and carry and needs a minder.
I would have played Cuningham on him if he played half back and Cottrell if he played wing and was a bit surprised the former was left out of the lineup given Collingwood showed us up for pace.
Could be a long night of chasing  with Whitfield and Williams carrying the ball through the middle of the ground...