Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

[ElwoodBlues1]

Out of contract and after more money than the Bombers are keen on offering.  Good footballer but I would spend my money elsewhere.    Just need a solid citizen with good foot skills.

Been an area thats been ignored and given we spent 800k on a 3rd tall forward I think a bit of money spent down back is fair enough. Appreciate we will probably be looking at Williams who will be around 800-900k but I think Saad is a decent player to pursue and spend a dollar or two on as well.

[Thryleon]

Saad can be a game breaker and if he is available we should look at him.

Worth remember he snubbed us to go to the Bombers though, and what impact that would have on the team.

[Gointocarlton]

Polson is pushing it up hill with the Carlton faithful to start with even with solid form in the scratch matches.

He has been credited with two Josh Thomas Goals.

The first is from a dump kick from Sam Walsh that Quaynor roves from the marking contest outside 50.  The ball deep inside 50 is contested by Cox and Jones.  Williamson follows Thomas who roves and goals.  Polson in not one of 7 Carlton players pictured inside 50.  Jones, Weitering, Plowman, Doc, Cripps, Setterfield and Simpson.  Hard to tell if Polson is actually on the ground at the time.

The 2nd goal Thomas loses Plowman working up the field and first gets involved at wing/half back.  Crisps miss bounces and Thomas gets the handball receive and kicks a nice goal.

While I am not suggesting Polson was great he wasn't directly responsible for the two Thomas goals.

Now as EB points out Thomas had 9 score involvements so his influence wasn't limited to his 2 goals.

I must admit I didn't mind trying Polson in the new role.    Reading the reports his disposal looks to have improved.

He did have 246 meters gained which is not huge, but when you consider he only had 8 touches at 30.75metres per touches that was the highest for any Carlton player.  Just need to get the ball a little more, which in turn might free up SPS to play a more natural role.

Exactly what I saw in the highlights package, Polson went onto Thomas in the second half who was largely unsighted.

[keogh]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/31/h...-improved/

Cornes is a flog but it's a pretty valid point. Go back as far as the draft of 2015 through to 2018 (LY too early to call yet)....and in those 4 years, who has really come on?

2015

Weitering - been a gun this year.
McKay - frustrates us with glimpses in patches but is also injured a lot.
Curno - ditto
Cunningham - ditto
Silvagni J - been a surprise packet for mine for such a late pick.

2016

SPS- again, glimpses in patches but hasn't come on.
Fisher - been good and looks like he can make it.
Macreadie - barely played with injuries and form.
Polson - been enough said already.
Williamson - finally getting some return this year.
Kerr - gone.

2017

Dow - enough said.
O'Brien - not sure he'll make it either.
TDK - after a couple of injury plagued seasons he's looking like a great pick up and a long term future for sure.
Schumacher - gone
Garlett - gone

2018

Walsh - gun
Stocker - who knows?
O'Dwyer - speculative pick unlikely to survive the cut.
Silvagni B - same as O'Dwyer?

So for 4 years worth of draft picks and plenty of really high ones, the only successes to date look to be Weitering, Curnow (?), Fisher, Williamson (maybe), Walsh, TDK....McKay into his 5th year and needs to get better pretty quickly....

You can add getting McGovern for Shane Mc Adam and 2 picks in the 20s there was also some future late picks swapped
Setterfield for ultimately a pick in the low 20s and Nathan Kreuger
My other beef with SOS was recruiting so many crap players from other AFL clubs to prop up the list when he and his crew should have look more closely at the VFL SANFL WAFL NEFL
For late bloomers
Only Lang remains although I don’t rank Plowman
Kennedy isn’t a mid he is a forward

[WASurfer]

Keogh....I've posted it before and didn't want to torture the readers again.....but if you look at the 2014 Draft, that was the killer! An absolute disaster....blokes from that draft would now be in their prime years but not one of them is left at the club.

[keogh]

Keogh....I've posted it before and didn't want to torture the readers again.....but if you look at the 2014 Draft, that was the killer! An absolute disaster....blokes from that draft would now be in their prime years but not one of them is left at the club.

Hughes or Rogers
Either way they were both useless
As I pointed out in the other forum the lack of improvement in our future midfield is a concern
And yes SOS had to get rid of many at the end of 2015
But why replace spuds with spuds?
We were panced in between the arks yet again.
They had Sidebottom and Treloar both out

Elliott Daicos Phillips Noble Quaynor
Crisp and Maynard like Noble are essentially defenders but provided plenty of drive around the middle
Ed Curnow gets a pass
Setterfield got the ball but his impact is minor
It’s called depth in the middle
We don’t have it
The question is how long do you wait before guys turn the corner?

[pew2]

smarter quicker team .the space that stephenson had and delivery was perfect and could of kicked 4 goals /why cant we do the same with eddie for example our coaches have to do better on match day

[Shakin77]

Been an area thats been ignored and given we spent 800k on a 3rd tall forward I think a bit of money spent down back is fair enough. Appreciate we will probably be looking at Williams who will be around 800-900k but I think Saad is a decent player to pursue and spend a dollar or two on as well.

Terrible decision to pay that much for McGovern given his output and our needs in other areas.  I wouldn't use that as a reason to justify over spending in other areas.

[flyboy77]

Hughes or Rogers
Either way they were both useless
As I pointed out in the other forum the lack of improvement in our future midfield is a concern
And yes SOS had to get rid of many at the end of 2015
But why replace spuds with spuds?
We were panced in between the arks yet again.
They had Sidebottom and Treloar both out

Elliott Daicos Phillips Noble Quaynor
Crisp and Maynard like Noble are essentially defenders but provided plenty of drive around the middle
Ed Curnow gets a pass
Setterfield got the ball but his impact is minor
It’s called depth in the middle
We don’t have it
The question is how long do you wait before guys turn the corner?

And yet we played twice as well against them last year when nobody gave us a hope in hell.

But for some terrible umpiring decisions in the last 5 minutes of that game, it was ours.

It's all between our ears...

And that Cripps is wounded, or mind elsewhere, doesn't help.

[Shakin77]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/31/h...-improved/

2015

Weitering - Close to AA.  Leader. 
McKay - playing the hardest position on the ground.  44 games in this bloke is super talented.  Need continuality.  The rest of the football community is wetting their pants over this guy.  Wouldn't trade him for the world.
Curno - Dynamic Footballer that could push into midfield.  Amazing talent and a great get at 12. 
Cunningham - Has pace and is a nice kick.  Has the ability to break games open.  Only played 34 games and needs more game time.  Don't like him trapped forward which he has been a lot this year out of need I am hoping.  Showed against Essendon what he can go.
Silvagni J - Good get late in the draft.  Works his back side off and applies a lot of defensive pressure.

2016

SPS - Starting to hit his sweet spot.  While people are critical of his work in defense no-one has really got a hold of him.  Good in the contest with good skills we will be rewarded when he is moved up the ground.
Fisher - We know what this bloke can do.  Another that needs game time.  Injuries has hampered him a little.
Macreadie - For a bloke taken at 47 he has shown enough to suggest he can play.    Injuries have set him back.
Polson - At pick 59 the picking are slim.  Has 4 games to show if he is up to it.
Williamson - Taken at pick 61.  Just a baby at 28 games.  Needs more game time to adjust to the pressure and unleash that left foot.  Body the real concern.
Kerr - Spec Tall.

2017

Dow - His debut season was great.  Struggled with 2nd year blues and has been injured for most of 2020.  Has put on a little bit of bulk and needs at least another pre-season or two.  You see the improvement in a guys like Setterfield and that comes with an improved tank.  As a result he is able to get to more contests, can spread defensively, is not fatigued when he goes to dispose of the ball and as a result make better decisions.    Again only 41 games.  Must play as much as possible. 
O'Brien - Outsider user of the ball.  Needs to work on his defensive side.    Ideal replacement for Simpson.  Showed in the pre-season how good he is with ball in had.  Will get better as our insdie game gets better.
TDK - Oh boy.  The struggle to make sure he gets games.
Schumacher - Pick 70.  Nuff said.
Garlett - Gone.  Talented.  Lacked in other areas.

2018
(It's really too early to comment on any of these guys.  Way to early.)
Walsh - Gun
Stocker - who knows?
O'Dwyer - speculative pick unlikely to survive the cut.
Silvagni B - same as O'Dwyer?

Kano is a flog and of the highest order.  He is just click bait and each week he takes turns in crap canning someone.  There is no depth or any insight to his views.  Unfortunately this type of media is common in the AFL.