Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

[flyboy77]

Forecast is very good.

Sunday 30 August
Summary Min 13  Max 23

Partly cloudy.Chance of any rain: 5%

Brisbane area

Partly cloudy. Light winds.

[Gointocarlton]

Jim..you can keep those clean clean sheets in the cupboard, Blues by 3-5 goals IMO....Pies have too many key players out
and cant see them kicking enough goals unless someone like Elliott has a day out.

If we beat the Filth this week, I think I will more than likely shed a tear. If a few other results go our way, I may well have an aneurysm!!

[Blue Moon]

I don't understand why there is so little respect for Carlton in the media. While our recent history has been poor, while any prognostication about our future should be tempered and other than the fact the media is full of Carlton haters, I don't understand why people aren't a bit more bullish about our prospects. We have a strong goal to goal line, a solid back line, depth in our rucks, a good midfield with depth, and a lot of variety in our forward half. Over 75% of our list is 25 years or younger, so there is plenty of growth there and we have had plenty of injuries, especially to some of our better players, yet we sit in striking distance of the finals. The narrative at the moment is that Carlton will probably beat Adelaide and Sydney, but lose to Collingwood, GWS and Brisbane and therefore miss out on the finals. This might be the outcome, but I believe winning all five games is just as likely an outcome.
Earlier this year I went to the Carlton-Collingwood practice match and I came away with the belief that we had a lot of depth and that Collingwood had very little. While the media always talk about the magpie horror run with injuries, the fact we haven't had Curnow, Kreuzer, Silvagni, Newman, and Marchbank all season, and there has been continuous injuries to McGovern, McKay, Cuningham, Kennedy, Dow and Fisher and still be on the improve seems to go unnoticed.
Collingwood is tracking how Carlton went 20 years ago. A surprise appearance in the 99 Grand Final, a disappointing exit in the Preliminary final the next year, and a nothing final series in 2001, then gloom and doom. Collingwood has a strong defence, a thin but good midfield, and a forward line that can only kick goals when the midfield is dominant. People look at the first quarter frenzy in the 2018 Grand Final and the last quarter frenzy in the 2019 Preliminary Final and say how dangerous their forward line is,  but what they don't talk about is the six quarters where they barely scored. Last year some clown in the media said that the Collingwood midfield was the best ever assembled in AFL history. I think we can all see how stupid that statement was. While Grundy is an excellent ruckman, he can be passive during the game and is often only involved in the parts of the game he is involved in like in last years preliminary final where he got most of the tap outs, but only had a presence in the last quarter. Collingwood's midfiled, consists of Pendlebury, Greenwood, Adams, Trelore and Sidebottom, but there is not a lot else. It was a bit like when we use to have Murphy, Gibbs, Curnow and Cripps, and not much else. One injury and we were in trouble. Now we have Murphy, Curnow, Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh, and Kennedy with Gibbons, Martin, Fisher, Newnes and others running through there. In the last two weeks, Curnow was best on the ground and then Murphy was best, and Cripps seems to be getting better each week. Early in the year, the media had a real set about putting down Walsh. Walsh, number one draft pick, won the rising star by the most votes ever, was somehow barely in the top ten of his year. Clearly getting 20 plus kick each week, taking mark of the year and kicking goals, means you are not much good if you play for Carlton.
The two times we have beaten Collingwood in recent years, our midfield has been on top of theirs. We will need to do this again. If we do this the Collingwood's forwards will struggle to score, however we need to make more of our opportunitites than we have done so over the past couple of weeks against Fremantle and Gold Coast, toher wise the Colling wood defence will keep them in the game and leave us open to one of Collingwood's forward frenzy where they kick multiple goals in a short period of time.
We really should win this one, but we got ahead of ourselves against Hawthorn, so it will probably be another white knuckle ride.

[flyboy77]

I'd beg to differ on the filth's defence.

Last week against North:

[25] Jack Crisp, 147 games, ok. 190cm, 90kg
[23] Jordan Roughead, 200cm, doesn't do much. last legs?
[44] Jack Madgen 27yo, 15 games, ex basketballer. 192cm, 98kg.
FB
[37] Brayden Maynard, solid player, 110 games. 189cm, 90kg.
[30] Darcy Moore, 203cm, will take Harry?
[9] John Noble 16 games. 180cm, 72kg,

Noble on Betts presumably? Who gets Martin?

No one is slippery enough, not even close, to go with Martin from that group. I'll guess they'll try Maynard.

Or Gibbo?

If we use H, Levi and TDK up forward - all three are very good marks. Who takes our 3rd tall? Madgen?

Good luck with that.

We had them last year at the G before a bit of composure and the rotten umpires intervened....they were flying then too.

This year, we've a better team on the park (inclusions like Jones, Martin, Doc, Pitto, TDK, Newnes, Betts and likely, Kennedy)

From their line up in 2019, they'll be missing Howe, JdeG, Treloar, Stephenson and Sidebottom but gain Adams.

So they're down two critical mids, their main driver off HB (and intercept marker) in Howe and de Goey.

[capcom]

We stand a decent chance.  The sniff of advancing further up the ladder would be a huge incentive.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'd beg to differ on the filth's defence.

Last week against North:

[25] Jack Crisp, 147 games, ok. 190cm, 90kg
[23] Jordan Roughead, 200cm, doesn't do much. last legs?
[44] Jack Madgen 27yo, 15 games, ex basketballer. 192cm, 98kg.
FB
[37] Brayden Maynard, solid player, 110 games. 189cm, 90kg.
[30] Darcy Moore, 203cm, will take Harry?
[9] John Noble 16 games. 180cm, 72kg,

Noble on Betts presumably? Who gets Martin?

No one is slippery enough, not even close, to go with Martin from that group. I'll guess they'll try Maynard.

Or Gibbo?

If we use H, Levi and TDK up forward - all three are very good marks. Who takes our 3rd tall? Madgen?

Good luck with that.

We had them last year at the G before a bit of composure and the rotten umpires intervened....they were flying then too.

This year, we've a better team on the park (inclusions like Jones, Martin, Doc, Pitto, TDK, Newnes, Betts and likely, Kennedy)

From their line up in 2019, they'll be missing Howe, JdeG, Treloar, Stephenson and Sidebottom but gain Adams.

So they're down two critical mids, their main driver off HB (and intercept marker) in Howe and de Goey.

Maynard is a good footballer and be happy to have him our list, played on Greene from GWS in last years finals and toweled him up...he is a genuine tough player and any of our blokes playing on him are in for a hard game.
I think they might play Varcoe on Martin...they have used the latter down back a few times this season and he teams well with Crisp who is his best mate.
Greenwood is a thug so I'd expect him to tag someone and try on the rough stuff, one of the mistakes we have made with Collingwood before is to let Pendlebury run loose playing off Cripps, thats a real dangerous practice IMO and I would have Curnow on him the whole game. Pies will probably bring Wills into the team to replicate the Jack Steele type game on Cripps.
I'm expecting Eddie to have a big game along with Martin who needs to kick a bit straighter, reckon Levi can kick a few this week too with Moore occupied with Harry.

[Gointocarlton]

Maynard is a good footballer and be happy to have him our list, played on Greene from GWS in last years finals and toweled him up...he is a genuine tough player and any of our blokes playing on him are in for a hard game.
I think they might play Varcoe on Martin...they have used the latter down back a few times this season and he teams well with Crisp who is his best mate.
Greenwood is a thug so I'd expect him to tag someone and try on the rough stuff, one of the mistakes we have made with Collingwood before is to let Pendlebury run loose playing off Cripps, thats a real dangerous practice IMO and I would have Curnow on him the whole game. Pies will probably bring Wills into the team to replicate the Jack Steele type game on Cripps.
I'm expecting Eddie to have a big game along with Martin who needs to kick a bit straighter, reckon Levi can kick a few this week too with Moore occupied with Harry.

The 22 that run out ALL need a big game, this is huge for this group.

[kruddler]

If we win this game and don't make finals, people will lose their $hit.

If we win this game and miss out on finals, people can at least say we beat the pies.

Regardless of how our season goes from here, we need to beat the pies. Simples.

Of course this year it has the added benefit of setting us up for finals.

As i mentioned earlier, if we lose this we have a tied record against the pies for the first time since the 1981 grand final

[Gointocarlton]

If we win this game and don't make finals, people will lose their $hit.

If we win this game and miss out on finals, people can at least say we beat the pies.

Regardless of how our season goes from here, we need to beat the pies. Simples.

Of course this year it has the added benefit of setting us up for finals.

As i mentioned earlier, if we lose this we have a tied record against the pies for the first time since the 1981 grand final

Its all about how we lose for me. If we lose by:
- Falling asleep in the 1st qtr (or entire other qtrs)
- Giving away 5 goal leads
- Scoring 18 behinds (ie having more scoring shots but losing)
Ill be filthy (especially with if its one of the first two). If however we are ruthless, physical, don't take backward steps, are in games up to our ears but fall short, that's a different story AFAIC.

[flyboy77]

Its all about how we lose for me. If we lose by:
- Falling asleep in the 1st qtr (or entire other qtrs)
- Giving away 5 goal leads
- Scoring 18 behinds (ie having more scoring shots but losing)
Ill be filthy (especially with if its one of the first two). If however we are ruthless, physical, don't take backward steps, are in games up to our ears but fall short, that's a different story AFAIC.

If we do those things, ZERO chance we lose.

Pies simply aren't very good at present. Sidebottom's a huge loss.

Bombers 63, Pies 48

Eagles 111, Pies 45

Dockers 61, Pies 49,

Dees 100, Pies 44.

We bring it, we'll win by a fair margin.