Post Game Pondering: AFL 2020 Rd 9: Carlton vs Hawthorn

[LP]

Interesting Cripps was the only player to get an AFLCA vote, shows you a bit about how coaches think and what they value.

Makes you wonder what they think Weitering did wrong! :o

[Lods]

Not sure about coach votes but...
Just generally....
Weitering's probably at that stage where in the past folks have probably put him down as a player who wouldn't quite reach the potential his under18 career suggested he might.
Now gradually they're starting to take notice, but his true value is still underestimated by a lot of the general football public, despite some of the 'scalps' he's taken this year.
If folks are fair dinkum I reckon he should be right in consideration for AA honours this year
In a year or two I suspect he'll be regarded by all as one of the premier defenders in the comp.

[LP]

Looks like the honeymoon is over.

While in perception it may be true, in reality Teague is still just a beginner for a variety of reasons, he needs to be judged in his 3rd year.

Why do I think this;

• Firstly, he is a newbie with new tricks, opposition coaches are yet to see or learn them, it takes a few games before they are prepared for coaching against Teague so in the short term he has an advantage in this area. The Dawks are probably his worst case, as BB has all the inside guff so Teague's advantage is minimised!
  
  
  
• Secondly, he is yet to be exposed to all the tricks of opposition coaches so he has to learn them, this is his big disadvantage. It's easy to learn about opposition players, even your own players, you have so much video available on them. But it is too hard to tell from video what was a coaches move and what was a player acting with initiative.
  
  
  
• Thirdly, our team still has relatively little experience of Teague's style and what works and what doesn't. So the players will do stuff outside the plan, acting with initiative or in the old ways that they think might help, it might help but it can also unravel Teague's plans. It takes a season or two to get this right.
  
  
  
• Finally, Teague has to demonstrate that once opposition coaches get a handle on his style that he can do something outside the box. Something that sets his team free of opposition countermeasures. It's not something you can learn overnight, and I doubt you can ever learn it as 2IC no matter how long you've been there. It's a big chair thing, and is as much about player management as it is about team tactics.
  

[capcom]

No doubt, he's a standout Lods.  A major one and among the first picked and blue chip.

[PaulP]

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If folks are fair dinkum I reckon he should be right in consideration for AA honours this year
In a year or two I suspect he'll be regarded by all as one of the premier defenders in the comp.

There's some in the media who talking him up as potential AA, so he is getting some attention.

[pew2]

until we find strong/quick  two way runners ,we can spin it all we like.

[Gointocarlton]

I read this on another forum, I thought this poster provided a very good assessment.
This is not my post but somebody elses (excuse the typos, I copied and pasted verbatim):

"I thought watching the game was frustrating. Geez reading alot of dribble on here.
Any chance we can have a proper disection of the game instead of we r no good this blokes a dud blah blah blah. Surely we r better than that.
1st qtr 7 turnovers which is elite.
2nd qtr 13 of which the majority were unforced..not a direct result of Hawthorn pressure.
2nh half 41...world record pace.
Heres a fact not an opinion. We have less turnovers when we score heavily..logical. Again as in first qtr.
Ive been on here so often talking about our mfield.
This is still our biggest issue. When the pace is on in the game there is less squeezing of space and when we go quick we often get through and score.
Its not coincidence we r playing on quick ..its what Teague wants. All our issue happen when the game slows and the opp squeeze space. We just carnt get through and we turnover the ball horribly consistently trying to penetrate. Teague doesnt want our backs kicking from a stationay position..holding the ball thinking thinking thinking. He knows whats gunna happen we all do. If the reason he has samo playing there..If u recall at half time v port he gave an interview where he said he told them that if they carnt go quick he wants to go long very long down the line. But his preference is to go quick.
This is why i say our mfield is the issue. We just dont have enough depth of exp or quality yet to keep the pace on long enough in games. This has gotten better but still needs to go up a couple more notches. Its a smart game plan esp with the talls we have..give em more chances to go 1 on 1 but also limits the thinking guys have to do eith the footy..the more u think more chance u have of turning it over.
Our whole season have reflected this...we have scored in chunks very quicly and conceded in chunks very quickly against all levels of teams. So Teagues challenge for the forseeable future is to get OUR style for long enough to win games until this depth and exp grows. Fisher Dow Philp Kemp LOB stocker are still mids we have who could help this.
So maybe in the short term we could
Rotate more guys through the mfield for longer like martin cunners gibbo eddy
Playing de koning who is a genuine ruck and can rest pitt a bit more instead of more
Maybe doc or willo for a spell
Maybe rotating guys from game to game to keep them fresher
Maybe giving cripps the dusty role fulltime
This all could happen and maybe u guys have a few others..but i think teaguey is reluctant to do this too much cause hes trying to build continuity with game plan and blokes playing certain roles
So unfortunatley we may see these fluctuations in games continue fir a while yet unless he can come up with something in the gameplan which allows us to at the very least get inside 50s because as i said at the start when ball is in hand of alot of our blokes and they had to think their way through the kick we all know whats coming.
Just all think Richmond. As bout as average a team to win a flag based on pure talent as there has been in the last 40 yrs. 4 yrs ago they had blokes who couldnt hit the side of the barn from 5 m. Going nowhere with a gamellan which required precise kicking. Gone to the simllest gamepkan u can have. Havent looked back
And havent looked back cause they can llay it for longer than their opp can play theirs. Thats teagues challenge in the short term..he need to get a little creative"

[PaulP]

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[PaulP]

Interesting thoughts GTC - thanks for posting.

[cookie2]

@GTC
Thanks for posting GTC. Some very interesting thoughts and insights in there and much that I would agree with.