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(07-31-2020, 09:37 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Such is the impact Carlton has on its fans nowaday, brilliant one minutes, shambolic the next. Chin up ol boy, the sun came up today as it will tomorrow, don't stress over it, there are way more important things in life than a game of footy.
Yes, I agree. The improvement over the last 12 months is obvious for all to see. Hawks have several 3x, 4x premiership players, some good traded players, and Clarkson. They weren't going to be rubbish forever, and sooner or later were bound to show something.
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For all their recent form woes, don’t forget that the Hawks have beaten the Tigers AND THE LIONS this year. Their ladder position is not a true reflection of the danger they posed.
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Cripps hardly covered himself in glory last night. I'm not quite sure who to blame the most but Teague is certainly in the picture. Selecting Moore was a bloody stupid decision and if we trade SPS, you won't see me shedding a quiet tear. That was a black day where we collapsed like a 2 dollar store umbrella in a rainstorm.
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07-31-2020, 11:41 PM
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We're the club that has two speeds plus a once a year meeting with a 'Dishlishers' who we easily account for.
Speed one is a narrow loss or win. Speed two is being easily accounted for and as I mentioned, speed 3 is reserved for one game a year when we win comfortably... a la Dishlickers at the present moment. We could just as easily be sitting 2nd bottom with one win at present.
What exactly is our culture; our brand? Seems pretty mysterious to me. Something like, 'when things are going our way we finesse and look fantastic and kick goals... until our opponents turn up, apply pressure, then we go to water.' Seems when we're ferocious, we do well but that ferocity is very conditional and fluctuates and is entirely dependent upon what the opposition does... it's apparently a very moody ferocity.
Our conservatism at the selection table is telling and needs changing. I understand we want to send a message to blokes that we trust them and that they belong... but there should be another message, 'perform poorly and you're out, plenty of blokes/newbies who deserve a gig to take your place'.
When we were desperate against the Dawks how 'individual' did we play... holy mackerel, so many trying to be the 'saviour'... symptom of poor discipline and no culture/brand.
As for individuals... what the hec is up with Crippa? Doc troubled by attention and lack of freedom... there go the skippers. Cuningham does his usual invisible man stunt for extended periods and then gives us hope with a sublime goal, only to shrink away again. Murphy makes demoralising errors... and when a leader (?) does that the negative ripple effect is influential. What you see with SPS is what happens when a creative bloke is given a negative role.
I wonder if the coaching ranks need a Ross Lyon... someone who understands high levels of discipline and has a bit of shizen on his liver to pass on to others. Our niceness is a serious issue, and not in a good way.
We need to make some very hard decisions at year's end re personnel and assistant coaches.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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(07-31-2020, 11:17 PM)LygonStreetLimbo link Wrote:For all their recent form woes, don’t forget that the Hawks have beaten the Tigers AND THE LIONS this year. Their ladder position is not a true reflection of the danger they posed.
They were at the beginning of the year when the Tiggers and Lions hadn't gotten into stride. Bottom line is that yesterday we were beaten by an ordinary side in poor form. And just for consistency, the week before against the Kangabies we narrowly won against an ordinary side in poor form. No matter how you cut it, it was a poor performance, an undisciplined performance, a performance from a side that wilted badly under pressure. No excuses. We have issues, big issues.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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I refuse to believe Cripps isn't injured...probably multiple niggles.
He's lost his acceleration/burst.
He's making promises his body can't keep.
The problem is a 75% Cripps is still better than most, if not all, of our other midfielders, so he keeps playing...to the detriment of his own reputation
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Thought the players let Teague down, hallmark of his coaching is if we go down we go down swinging. This game after the Hawks upped the pressure we gave in, weak contests, lazy chasing, avoiding heavy contact and waiting for a teammate to do the
work. Too many of our players give inconsistent effort and that's a tough problem for any coach.
We had probably three decent players for the game... Playing group and leaders need condemning and not the coach..
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(07-31-2020, 11:57 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Thought the players let Teague down, hallmark of his coaching is if we go down we go down swinging. This game after the Hawks upped the pressure we gave in, weak contests, lazy chasing, avoiding heavy contact and waiting for a teammate to do the
work. Too many of our players give inconsistent effort and that's a tough problem for any coach.
We had probably three decent players for the game... Playing group and leaders need condemning and not the coach..
Does Teague need to develop a (dreaded) Plan B though.
It is a bit of an all or nothing approach.
When it goes off the boil like last night it's a problem that's difficult to recover from.
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Okay sleeping on it, and remembering more that the Lions smashed Essendon, I'm feeling a bit better than yesterday. >  Just!
We were on top ,that first quarter was what my dreams are made of. Then our momentum stopped - because of 3 in a row turnovers under zero pressure by our guys. Literally kicking it directly to a hawk on his own. then the backs get caught out of position and they get goals.
Incredibly disappointed in our guys and didn't feel like Teague did anything to change the game either. Maybe his philosophy is all in, no matter what. Boys to back themselves and keep going.
I remember a similar game against Hawthorn, we were on holiday on the Gold coast and settled in to watch a 'sure win', and 'we had turned the corner' and we were 'on the way up' only to get destroyed by hawthorn. Same shit, different year.
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Mostly it’s inconsistent effort but for some It’s consistently weak efforts.
We all lauded Bryce Gibbs but he struggles to break into a team that’s last on the ladder and I suspect that what would also be happening to Marc Murphy at another side. His weak efforts in the middle are simply not acceptable. I can’t watch him anymore - it’s forward pocket or nothing for Murphy at this rate.
SPS hasn’t kicked a ball more than 15m all year and seems obsessed with dinking it around the background like a scared rabbit. He looks incredibly slow and weak at the moment and he’s clearly, very clearly, not a defender because he cannot tackle and is very slow to stay with his opponent. He is being played out of position and we need him delivering to our forward 50, it’s midfield or nothing for him.
Betts, Cunningham, Setterfield, McKay might as well have not unpacked their bags at the ground. Kennedy tries but isn’t too flash.
I see from the Carlton website that Brodie Kemp is chocked full of confidence so hopefully he can walk the talk next year and I’d love to see what TDK and Josh Honey can deliver soon.
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