Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

[Gointocarlton]

Only 22 yo, under 30 games, lost fitness, continuity and confidence due to a knee reco. Plenty of upside here!!

Needs to bulk up a little though. Becoming a tackling machine also.

[ElwoodBlues1]

i think we are a very LUCKY football team,cats play 6mins, ess 1more meter,roos with important players missing.I blame our game style it has been the same for years the long bomb into forward line does not work the opposition just run it out and because we are slow cant defend and into there open forward line,easy goals to other side. How many times have we seen this happen. So change game plan . How does opposition have open forward line and ours is crowded all time?Glad we won but we are LUCKY

Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.

[cookie2]

Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.

Yep, better to die on your feet than live on your knees as the old saying goes.  >

[kruddler]

As we have seen with Clarkson, even the greatest coach can't do much with average cattle and kids. I have heard many coaches say that 80% of coaching is done during the week, and there's little they can do o match day, especially now with limited runners.

Take out 30 odd games of experience from the kids, take out PIttonet, Martin, Betts etc., and put in their place Lobbe, Phillips, Mullet, O'Shea, Smedts and many others. Take a hard line long term view on development, and specifically give kids games and tough assignments, leaving oldies on the periphery. Give all that to Clarkson, or Teague, and get back to me.

OK, take all that away......Teague went 6-5 from his 11 games.
Same cattle, Bolton went 1-10.

Oh, but that was just honeymoon period right?
Except now...
Take away Kreuzer, Charlie, Fisher, Marchbank, throw an labouring Cripps in that as well.
Oh, 4 and 4? MUST be the new recruits.

You can come up with all the excuses you want.
Occams razor suggests the simplest, less convoluted answer is the right one.

Teague > Bolton.
The end.

[PaulP]

Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.

[jeza]

Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.

Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.

Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.

[jeza]

Agree re. Setterfield. 2nd year back from his Reco and looks like a 10 year player.

Hopefully Harry and SOS are back next week.

[PaulP]

Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.

Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.

Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

[Spanner_smf2_import2]

You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

Pagan, really? The guy was the biggest contributor for where we find ourselves today. What he did to this club is unforgivable. The losing mentality we see today is directly attributable to sheer number of floggings we copped under his tutelage.

Hack of the highest order and no amount of turd polishing can brighten the stain that he imposed on this club.

Fucking hate the bloke for what he did... C*nt of the highest order...

The less said about Sir Shithouse the better, but the rot was forged under the guidance of the hack of all hacks Pagan. Don't piss on my back and re-tell history...

[northernblue]

Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

So why bother ?
Do you seriously think you can comprehend any of it from this place ?
Even the key decision makers are oblivious to all the actions, inactions and subsequent repercussions.
Only 1 club gets it “right” each year, everyone else gets it “wrong” by your own definition.
It’s butterfly wings beating in Africa stuff.