General Discussions

[LP]

Stick to spreading credible stories to express your dislike of renewables/ev.
I read on socials that someone brought the Exxon Valdez and said theyd never need to buy fuel again !
Dunno if its possible or where theyd park it but it was funny as all hell !
:/

Councils banning new gas connections is a fact.

As mentioned I wasn't sure the EV flat battery story was true or a just a good laugh, having said that, of those 220,000 homes without remaining power how do they get the old EV charged now, down the road to pay the dollars?

Takes that old sicky excuse, "My car has a flat battery", to a whole new level! ;D

btw., Is that recharging fee like Uber rates, subject to peak demand surcharges? If not I expect somewhere somehow it soon will be, as soon as some executive realises the windfall coming his way. After all, it's the new fuel!

[kruddler]

Curious, Could you pull out your camping solar panels cells and charge you EV, or charge a spare battery and use that to charge your EV?
Wouldn't be able to provide the same amount of oomph as your wall sockets for sure, but could get you out of trouble?

[northernblue]

Every family can have a bad egg.
Ive met police, firies, Drs etc with several "typical kids" and one bad egg, so not every bad one comes from a poor home environment.
Lods in my opinion is on the money, some types of family do produce cartons of bad eggs.
For the chest thumpers, how many jails do you want to build ?
There is a balance to be reached between retribution/punishment and diversion/education and not only is it a difficult choice to get 100% right, its a long, long term game.

[LP]

Curious, Could you pull out your camping solar panels cells and charge you EV, or charge a spare battery and use that to charge your EV?
Wouldn't be able to provide the same amount of oomph as your wall sockets for sure, but could get you out of trouble?

As far as I know it doesn't work like that, EV batteries are massive arrays of smaller cells, to charge them you need quite high DC voltages, not something that comes from your typical small SolarPV or lead acid battery. Probably a portable inverter / generator might get you started, which is a tad ironic.

It does make you wonder though what is the RACV equivalent of road side assist for an EV, maybe you can use one EV to partially charge another. I think many EVs like a Landcruiser come with a built in low power inverter. I gather the missus won't have a spare of that cable in her purse?

[northernblue]

Curious, Could you pull out your camping solar panels cells and charge you EV, or charge a spare battery and use that to charge your EV?
Wouldn't be able to provide the same amount of oomph as your wall sockets for sure, but could get you out of trouble?

Possibly, but you might just be piiising against the wind.
And anyone who has an ev without home/work place solar is a bit like someone who would buy a brand new car with no intention of obtaining a license.
Why pay retail for electricity when you can make it yourself ?
The bigger problem at the moment is that battery costs are still high but falling so peoples solar set ups are still grid tied (exporting excess) but when the grid goes down so does your home, if you have a battery to feed into that is still available in an outage.
My understanding is that most ev have two batteries, a traction battery for the motor and a "house" battery for the other stuff.
I find it difficult to believe that any ev could run down to 0% thats what their BMS are designed to prevent.

[LP]

I find it difficult to believe that any ev could run down to 0% thats what their BMS are designed to prevent.

This is 100% true, it'll cut off the battery long before you get anywhere near completely flat. Like power tools most are designed to only go down to something like 15% capacity before they shut off. If you could drain them flat they would be at risk of swelling which then causes explosions on recharge.

If you can't start the car, does it really matter how much is left in the battery?

[northernblue]

This is 100% true, but it'll cut off the battery long before you get anywhere near completely flat. Like power tools most are designed to only go down to something like 15% capacity before they shut off.

If you can't start the car, does it really matter how much is left in the battery?

In that case its a bit like an ice that runs out of petrol then isnt it ?

[LP]

In that case its a bit like an ice that runs out of petrol then isnt it ?

True, there is always a little fuel left in the tank.

Even so, the story is still funny as hell. Next time I'm having a day off, after our glorious finals win, I'll tell the boss my Nintendo Switch flattened the battery!

[northernblue]

As far as I know it doesn't work like that, EV batteries are massive arrays of smaller cells, to charge them you need quite high DC voltages, not something that comes from your typical small SolarPV or lead acid battery. Probably a portable inverter / generator might get you started, which is a tad ironic.


It does make you wonder though what is the RACV equivalent of road side assist for an EV, maybe you can use one EV to partially charge another. I think many EVs like a Landcruiser come with a built in low power inverter. I gather the missus won't have a spare of that cable in her purse?

As i have stated previously that I'm not an ev owner but my understanding is that "fast chargers" use DC and most home chargers use AC.
I'd imagine that pending suitable connections you could top up an ev using camping solar panels or another battery, but how much could they put in over what timeframe ?
There are Lithium battery packs the size of small gensets that are used in camping situations where you'd connect them to solar and/or your car alternator when driving (anderson plug) possibly pending connections one COULD be used to move an ev a short distance, maybe...
Think of it as a 5lt gerrycan, it aint much but its more than you've got now...

Ive never heard of anyone leaving their ev sitting around on such a low charge, it would defy logic, even yours !
Let alone the reality that your ev is capable of being your house battery, charging off your home solar during the day and feeding back into your home by night... or when mains power is lost.

[ElwoodBlues1]

As i have stated previously that I'm not an ev owner but my understanding is that "fast chargers" use DC and most home chargers use AC.
I'd imagine that pending suitable connections you could top up an ev using camping solar panels or another battery, but how much could they put in over what timeframe ?
There are Lithium battery packs the size of small gensets that are used in camping situations where you'd connect them to solar and/or your car alternator when driving (anderson plug) possibly pending connections one COULD be used to move an ev a short distance, maybe...
Think of it as a 5lt gerrycan, it aint much but its more than you've got now...

Ive never heard of anyone leaving their ev sitting around on such a low charge, it would defy logic, even yours !
Let alone the reality that your ev is capable of being your house battery, charging off your home solar during the day and feeding back into your home by night... or when mains power is lost.

A 12v $60 Jump Starter will start your EV but you cant charge the battery with them, a Jackery or Bluetti type powerstation at the top end might be able to supply 1800-2000watts which could give you 10-12 kilometres worth of juice but thats going to set you back $3-4K.
You can use your EV to power your home, you need a bidirectional charger so you can convert DC back to AC for your home.....I believe but dont quote me that a couple of the present Mitsubishi's one being the Outlander PHEV can be configured for BiDirectional charging. Id expect it to become the norm across all EVs as well as being able to power appliances directly.
Think I read that a EV from Nissan was trialled in Japan and powered a house for 4 days.....