General Discussions

[kruddler]

Americans didn't abolish slavery, that just re-jigged the model.
Now they call it prison.

[Baggers]

Ah, yes, Religion. If you've got the time and inclination... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwff8yvi_2E

[Baggers]

Americans didn't abolish slavery, that just re-jigged the model.
Now they call it prison.

A biting and tragic reality.

Some might also say that a mortgage is a form of slavery.

[DJC]

The hearts and minds of these players and others like them were set a long time ago, and whilst change is always possible, I'm not sure any kind of pre match consultation would have changed the outcome.

When the agent of change is one of their own, it’s highly likely that they would see the harm of their positions.

They are unlikely to change because of pre-match consultation but I assume that the club came up with the jersey idea some time ago.  That’s when they should have begun consultation and awareness raising. 

That would also have forewarned the club of any likely problems and enabled them to find solutions that didn’t put back the cause they were hoping to promote.

Apart from further marginalising LGBTQ+ and Pasifika folk, the situation Manly created reinforces the bonehead reputation of NRL players.  A little thought and cross-cultural awareness could have gone a long way.

[Thryleon]

https://youtu.be/3iV8X8ubGCc

Appropriate!

[PaulP]

The angry mob reaction is highlighted for comedic purposes, but over here in the real world, the messaging is pretty clear. If you refuse to wear the indigenous jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with Indigenous rights. If you refuse to wear the Carlton Respects jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gender equality. If you refuse to wear the pride jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gay rights. These aren't fashion choices.

Objectors should take ownership of their biases, grow a pair and stop trying to get themselves off the hook, by demanding their right to an an opinion without consequence, or by hiding behind religious or cultural beliefs.

[DJC]

The Manly players dropped their opposition to wearing the “rainbow jersey” and ended their boycott.  They still lost the game!

More proactive engagement by the club and the whole debacle could have been avoided.

I guess it means that the next “rainbow jersey” game won’t be an issue.  The NRL may even introduce a pride round ?

[LP]

The angry mob reaction is highlighted for comedic purposes, but over here in the real world, the messaging is pretty clear. If you refuse to wear the indigenous jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with Indigenous rights.

I'm sorry [member=64]PaulP[/member] but I think that is a extremist position and not your usual level headed perspective.

It's like asserting F1 driver Ricciardo is a racist because he doesn't take a knee with Hamilton.

Many would oppose a rainbow round just because they do not want politics and sport to mix, many oppose taking a knee for the very same reason, and that basic observation makes a mockery of your sweeping assertion.

[PaulP]

I'm sorry [member=64]PaulP[/member] but I think that is a extremist position and not you usual level headed perspective.

It's like asserting F1 driver Ricciardo is a racist because he doesn't take a knee with Hamilton.

Many would oppose a rainbow round just because they do not want politics and sport to mix, many oppose taking a knee for the very same reason, and that basic observation makes a mockery of your sweeping assertion.

If they don't want sports and politics to mix, they wouldn't wear indigenous jumpers, or Carlton Respects jumpers. The reports in the media stated very clearly they would not wear the pride jumper for cultural and religious reasons. Your repeated attempts to smooth over a real issue aren't working.

[Lods]

The Manly players dropped their opposition to wearing the “rainbow jersey” and ended their boycott.  They still lost the game!

More proactive engagement by the club and the whole debacle could have been avoided.

I guess it means that the next “rainbow jersey” game won’t be an issue.  The NRL may even introduce a pride round ?

Where did you hear they dropped their opposition?
I understand they stayed home.