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[Mav]

As Russia attacks Ukraine, experts weigh European "renaissance" for nuclear energy, Salon.

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.yahoo.com/news/steven-seagal-...37403.html

Steven Seagal letting his equally demented buddy Vlad the Invader know he is on his side....maybe he might volunteer and be parachuted into Ukraine and take on Ukraine single handed like one of his movies and save Vlads reputation.

[Mav]

Seagal has always been a weirdo. Love the way he tried to claim or insinuate he'd been muscle for the CIA or some such.

The topic of driverless cars came up a little while ago. Once driverless car has made the news over in the States:
Empty autonomous car pulled over by police, tries to flee, The Age.

The headline is a bit tongue in cheek. But how the hell does a car company spend millions on its driverless car program but someone forgets to tell the car it needs its headlights on at night?

[Lods]

As the 'Art of War' develops we see that previously very effective 'weapons' and tactics are often bypassed by new and more effective equipment or strategies.

Lines of troops in tightly packed formations would have been cut to pieces during WW1
Cavalry is another example and pretty much lost it's impact during WW1.
Trench warfare wouldn't have worked too well in WWW2

As the fighting in Ukraine has shown us. there are things you wouldn't want to be 'sitting in' during the next major conflict-

A: Tanks
B: Most surface warships

[LP]

As the fighting in Ukraine has shown us. there are things you wouldn't want to be 'sitting in' during the next major conflict-

A: Tanks
B: Most surface warships

I suspect the age of that hardware plays a role.
 

[ElwoodBlues1]

As the 'Art of War' develops we see that previously very effective 'weapons' and tactics are often bypassed by new and more effective equipment or strategies.

Lines of troops in tightly packed formations would have been cut to pieces during WW1
Cavalry is another example and pretty much lost it's impact during WW1.
Trench warfare wouldn't have worked too well in WWW2

As the fighting in Ukraine has shown us. there are things you wouldn't want to be 'sitting in' during the next major conflict-

A: Tanks
B: Most surface warships

Tanks need infantry support to prevent use of those portable anti tank weapons.
The Russian infantry has been very shy in battle and left the armoured vehicles exposed to the attacks on narrow roads with no room to manouvre.
What I find interesting is the use of drones both for observation and attack, warfare has become more hi tech and remote controlled.
Agree on Warships, slow and open to missile attacks.
The conservative nature of the Russian military has confused me, they have advanced stealth fighters/bombers but refused to risk them vs  Ukraine with it's old MIGs.

[Thryleon]

As the 'Art of War' develops we see that previously very effective 'weapons' and tactics are often bypassed by new and more effective equipment or strategies.

Lines of troops in tightly packed formations would have been cut to pieces during WW1
Cavalry is another example and pretty much lost it's impact during WW1.
Trench warfare wouldn't have worked too well in WWW2

As the fighting in Ukraine has shown us. there are things you wouldn't want to be 'sitting in' during the next major conflict-

A: Tanks
B: Most surface warships

These things in isolation are a problem.

However if fighting were raging modern surveillance would curtail the effectiveness of everything.  CCTV is also a factor here.

Its interesting.  We here about the odd thing Ukraine does and its celebrated as a major victory and the russians advancing on the midpoint of the nation and their capital is them having had an issue when its taken roughly a month to get there.  Im not an expert on these matters but its hardly the failure the news makes it out to be.

[Baggers]

These things in isolation are a problem.

However if fighting were raging modern surveillance would curtail the effectiveness of everything.  CCTV is also a factor here.

Its interesting.  We here about the odd thing Ukraine does and its celebrated as a major victory and the russians advancing on the midpoint of the nation and their capital is them having had an issue when its taken roughly a month to get there.  Im not an expert on these matters but its hardly the failure the news makes it out to be.

There are a few ways to measure 'failure'. Firstly, Putin's expectation was that this incursion would be swift, Zelensky would have fled, and the Ukraine would now be his - failure. On another level, the human level, civilian suffering and death - failure, though Putin would easily justify this as the price of 'nobility.' Excessive Russian military personnel deaths - failure, though Putin would easily justify this as the price of 'nobility.' Hardship for Russian citizens from sanctions - failure, though Putin would rely on his state media spin to pull the wool over the eyes of his citizens.

So far about the only thing Putin has achieved, in the broader view, is to galvanize billions of global citizens against Russia and to be sympathetic toward the Ukraine. Failure. And to have raised Zelensky to hero status... that must gall him.

About the only thing Putin has succeeded at thus far is murder, rape, confusion and suffering.

[capcom]

Adding Sweden and Finland to NATO through Putin's actions (will happen in 2022) and you soon realise just how dumb this clown is.  32 countries and counting.  1200 aircraft alone in Sweden.

[Thryleon]

There are a few ways to measure 'failure'. Firstly, Putin's expectation was that this incursion would be swift, Zelensky would have fled, and the Ukraine would now be his - failure. On another level, the human level, civilian suffering and death - failure, though Putin would easily justify this as the price of 'nobility.' Excessive Russian military personnel deaths - failure, though Putin would easily justify this as the price of 'nobility.' Hardship for Russian citizens from sanctions - failure, though Putin would rely on his state media spin to pull the wool over the eyes of his citizens.

So far about the only thing Putin has achieved, in the broader view, is to galvanize billions of global citizens against Russia and to be sympathetic toward the Ukraine. Failure. And to have raised Zelensky to hero status... that must gall him.

About the only thing Putin has succeeded at thus far is murder, rape, confusion and suffering.

Are you sure thats what putin was thinking?

Some people have become mind readers.  If he wanted a swift victory, I suspect he might have sent in a scorched earth policy rather than the tinker round the edges approach they have employed until now.

The innocent people of all nations are the first and major casualties of any war but I find the mindset of "neutral observers" fascinating when they champion efforts that they look at through the lens of bad guys vs good guys.

Oh and when it comes to Ukraine, the russians consider this a civil matter rather than a war between two nations which speaks for why they aren't just killing at will and scorching the earth.