AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

[LP]

Watch the replay LP.

 
Always do before I vote, I've watch the game live and Kayo replay twice now, and not through navy blue coloured glasses.

I would have thought Gawn was BoG, I was surprised to read the coaches gave Petracca top votes especially as he feed off Oliver quite a lot.

[PaulP]

Come on, Pauly, no one here has suggested anything like 'embracing failure' or 'being disinterested in winning.' Fck ups? Yep, there's been plenty of those but realised mainly in hindsight.

Raking over the Pagan era coals really doesn't serve any useful purpose as just about every position at the club now is very different to then.

And as for the 'entire club not being good enough,' it's way too early to make that call. The TT senior coaching career thus far is measured in games and weeks! We gave your boy 4 years, let's at least give the TT 18 months or so!

The CEO, Head of Footy and the raft of other new-to-the-role folks have barely got their tootsies under the desk... let's at least give them until the end of the year before calling them to the stocks!

Pagan was chosen arbitrarily - you could nominate any of our coaches over the last 2 decades and the answer would be the same. And the most critical and important voices at the club have not changed since Pagan - by which i mean power brokers and other influencers with deep pockets. And compare our board to Essendon's. Looks like a cheer squad in comparison.

I'm not calling anyone to the stocks - simply stating historical fact.

And Bolton was given 3 1/2 years.

[DJC]

Sorry, but I feel the part in bold is just fantasy! I love the fact our fans support our players, but it has to be grounded in realistic frame of reference. Perhaps that winning assessment makes sense relative to what we've had available in the past, but not relative to Gawn at the weekend.

If he did better for a win over the last 3 quarters, by our assessment, then shizen if that's a win no wonder we are on the bottom of the ladder!

FYI;
(AFLCA Votes)
10 Petracca
8 Gawn
6 Weitering
3 Oliver
2 Docherty
1 Salem

How can Pittonet have won 3 or the 4 quarters against Gawn and not get a coaches vote while Gawn gets two second place votes?

You're right LP, I reckon Gawn was BoG.

The difference in the last two thirds of the game was that our midfielders realised that Gawn was dominating and changed their tactics at stoppages.  We won the clearances and Gawn's hitouts to advantage plummeted.  However, he was still a dominant force around the ground (helped by some dubious umpiring decisions).

Pittonet was far from disgraced though and he certainly improved as the game wore on.  It was a good sign that he just didn't drop his head but fought it out to the end.  I reckon he could do OK against Stanley but a lot will depend on whether our midfielders are switched on at the first bounce.

[PaulP]

Jack Steven in, replacing Parfitt.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Jack Steven in, replacing Parfitt.

Another comeback kid for the media to drool over...just got over all the hype with Bennell, are we that bad that clubs pick these players cos they think its an easy game?

[laj]

For those saying a 12 goal loss is inevitable, and that honourable losses are unacceptable.
If we get done by a goal in a close game how will you interpret that?

Be alot more acceptable if it good, close, hard fought game all day. I think we'd accept that. If we're 6 goals down again, fly home and lose by a goal then it will frustrate the life out of us. So it depends on the nature of a one goal loss.

[laj]

Always do before I vote, I've watch the game live and Kayo replay twice now, and not through navy blue coloured glasses.

I would have thought Gawn was BoG, I was surprised to read the coaches gave Petracca top votes especially as he feed off Oliver quite a lot.

Twice? you're brave..lol.

[LP]

Pittonet was far from disgraced though and he certainly improved as the game wore on.  It was a good sign that he just didn't drop his head but fought it out to the end.  I reckon he could do OK against Stanley but a lot will depend on whether our midfielders are switched on at the first bounce.

 Agreed, as I said in the voting thread if Gawn hadn't run rampant I would have given Pittonet votes.

[Baggers]

Pagan was chosen arbitrarily - you could nominate any of our coaches over the last 2 decades and the answer would be the same. And the most critical and important voices at the club have not changed since Pagan - by which i mean power brokers and other influencers with deep pockets. And compare our board to Essendon's. Looks like a cheer squad in comparison.

I'm not calling anyone to the stocks - simply stating historical fact.

And Bolton was given 3 1/2 years.

Ah, this has been quite a dance, Pauly.

Okay, if you check the history books you'll see that the 'Carlton way' of choosing/appointing senior coaches hadn't changed until your boy, BB, was chosen by a selection committee. It probably started in the mid 60s when the CFC broke the mold with the brilliant and risky appointment of Ronald Dale Barassi - worked alright. The appointment of the 'Hawthorn bloke', David Alex Parkin, was also out of left field and didn't do too badly for us either. We just didn't know when to ease up on that approach... and also throw away the brown paper bag system!

Unfortunately we didn't move with the times which has cost us dearly, in fact we probably only caught up about 5 years ago. (And if you don't think other clubs have wealthy 'influencers' behind the scenes, you wouldn't be right).

As I said before, it's just too early to make a call on us right now, we're a work in progress new to the modern way of doing things. Patience, Grasshopper, patience.

[PaulP]

Ah, this has been quite a dance, Pauly.

Okay, if you check the history books you'll see that the 'Carlton way' of choosing/appointing senior coaches hadn't changed until your boy, BB, was chosen by a selection committee. It probably started in the mid 60s when the CFC broke the mold with the brilliant and risky appointment of Ronald Dale Barassi - worked alright. The appointment of the 'Hawthorn bloke', David Alex Parkin, was also out of left field and didn't do too badly for us either. We just didn't know when to ease up on that approach... and also throw away the brown paper bag system!

Unfortunately we didn't move with the times which has cost us dearly, in fact we probably only caught up about 5 years ago. (And if you don't think other clubs have wealthy 'influencers' behind the scenes, you wouldn't be right).

As I said before, it's just too early to make a call on us right now, we're a work in progress new to the modern way of doing things. Patience, Grasshopper, patience.

I'm not making a call right now. But facts are facts, and in the realm of educated opinion, there isn't one thing that I see in the current regime that is much better than any of the previous ones. Not one. Does anyone really think that Teague, long term,  will be better than anyone else ? That Lloyd will be better than McKay ? That Liddle will be better than Trigg ? LoGiudice better than Kernahan ? And don't get me started on the board.

I think you will find the cattle available plays a far greater role than any coach in achieving success. For a while you could be fooled into thinking we had a factory assembly line, where we could produce (or purchase) stars seemingly at will. Which is not in any way to suggest that those teams weren't skilled, didn't train hard etc. But good players make a massive difference. You won't find teams from the 60's to the 80's that were more star studded than ours.