Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

[Gointocarlton]

We're soft,  mentally and physically, end of story

The next bloke we draft has to a hard as *+*! Ultra competive mid.  Dusty Ziebell Viney  Selwood Hodge Lewis or even Rowell.  That kind of bloke. No more pretty, nice,  players like Fisher O'Brien  SPS Murphy Dow Setterfield.  Blokes that will smack the bloke next to them as soon as they get looked sideways at.

Got a lot of hope for Stocker,  at least he's shown some grit.  Why isn't he playing?

Coz we gotta play Lang :

[Gointocarlton]

Who is the midfield coach?  Please tell me it's not that useless crap truck Barker.

Like everybody else I'm bewildered by the rinse and repeat same old crap that was dished up - on every level - yesterday.

I just don't see a way out if this.  We have,  seriously,  twenty players that have shown nothing on our list.  We can't draft (consistently), we can't acquire players,  we can't develop players, we lack football nous,
ability,  skill,  hardness,  smarts,  effort ....its a mobius loop of mediocrity going nowhere.

I'm utterly bereft how we're ever going to exit this situation.  We've had a parallel before.    Once hope and faith are lost,  and let's face it,  we're almost there,  the club is finished.  Like Fitzroy.

Yep. I am all for Cripps leaving now (ie I think he will go rather stay), he cant keep tolerating this rubbish. Failure is so ingrained in our club now I cant see how to fix it. Start all over again? How many times can we keep starting all over again ? 86 days between round 1 and 2 and we repeated the same rubbish against Melbourne no less. That alone makes my blood boil. I simply cant see how anyone can take positives out of games at this point, every member to a man/woman/cat/dog/bird should be at the front gate tomorrow morning baying for blood. The clubs predicament is is completely unacceptable and something drastic needs to happen NOW 

[Gointocarlton]

Newman out for 2020?
Recover well son.

Losing is always disappointing, and for some, infuriating.

Losing as many suggest, through poor goal kicking, inept adaptation to what's in front of you, and mental unpreparedness, heightens emotions. No doubt. The sought after W is so close yet so far.

Many have provided sound analysis of the problems and suggested plausible solutions. In the end we were caught short. Imo our shortcomings fell in areas amenable to correction.

I empathise with Baggers demanding mass reform. I also believe we have what it takes to climb the proverbial. Albeit not consistently for 4q. 6 of our last 8q has shown just that. I expect most footy fans would agree with that to some extent.

Aside from minor adjustments across a few areas, I see one main glaring flaw, and it's not new. Get another quality inside mid or two. Not an athlete or fly weight with fancy footwork, but an inside bull with footy smarts and effective disposal.

This could be SOJ and Kemp in future. Right now though, neither were available. We're still trialling young men in different positions and playing seniors in positions they no longer own. Fix that, and master the 4q focus, and we're in the frame.

Go Blues

Sorry Navy, heard all that before many many times before and nothing has happened and wont happen any time soon. We are a laughing stock make no mistake about it and this upsets me. Something radical and drastic is required because nothing traditional has worked thus far. All I here is excuses. When I was a kid, my late old man used to say "why do you get so upset, its just a game". It is so much more than a game Dad.

[kruddler]

And now for something completely different....

What would you prefer?
a) Getting out of the blocks, getting a jump on the opposition only to be overrun at the end and running out of puff. Ala Tigers a few years ago, 5 goals to 0 up, lost.
or
b) Giving the opposition a leg up early, regrouping and chasing them down late.

Before you answer, i know what it will be....
"c) Jump out of the blocks AND dominate late"

That aside...you'll probably choose a)....and hope not to get run down.
I've got a different approach and i'll explain why.

In the past, if we were lucky enough to get off to a good start, the opposition would make some changes and run over us.
THAT showed a lack of
- Belief/confidence - we drop our bundle
- Ability to adjust matchday tactics

Since Teague has taken over, we've struggled early, but almost always been in matches.
This shows that we have
- Belief/confidence - we don't give up.
- Ability to adjust matchday tactics

I'd much rather the latter option. In all honesty, its a lot easier to fix a 'slow start' from a coaches perspective than it is to fix a lack of belief/confidence and matchday nous which we have suffered from previously.


Hang in there lads. We are simply a couple of early goals away from being able to dominate a game.

[Baggers]

Newman out for 2020?
Recover well son.

Losing is always disappointing, and for some, infuriating.

Losing as many suggest, through poor goal kicking, inept adaptation to what's in front of you, and mental unpreparedness, heightens emotions. No doubt. The sought after W is so close yet so far.

Many have provided sound analysis of the problems and suggested plausible solutions. In the end we were caught short. Imo our shortcomings fell in areas amenable to correction.

I empathise with Baggers demanding mass reform. I also believe we have what it takes to climb the proverbial. Albeit not consistently for 4q. 6 of our last 8q has shown just that. I expect most footy fans would agree with that to some extent.

Aside from minor adjustments across a few areas, I see one main glaring flaw, and it's not new. Get another quality inside mid or two. Not an athlete or fly weight with fancy footwork, but an inside bull with footy smarts and effective disposal.

This could be SOJ and Kemp in future. Right now though, neither were available. We're still trialling young men in different positions and playing seniors in positions they no longer own. Fix that, and master the 4q focus, and we're in the frame.

Go Blues

Greetings LN, and happy New Year... ? ?

Many good points though I think you've confused me with someone else re 'mass reform'. Nuh, we're fundamentally on the right track and the 'comebacks' in our past two games were full of merit and fight and indicate we're, in the words of Renee Geyer, heading in the right direction.

However...

As I mentioned earlier our issues are fundamentally above the shoulders. Plus being 2 HARD mids short and some coaching intelligence for the midfield. Our midfield started like it was at training... bruise free/lacking mongrel, trying to finesse/easy way out and no initiative/boldness to respond to the Dees smart coaching in nullifying the Cripps influence. This is where one of our Directors, C Judd, should be exerting his expertise and experience... in terms of attitude and strategy, on the group and the midfield coaching staff (FFS, would someone please wrench Barker off the security of the CFC tit and bring in a midfield coach with smarts and a bit of shyte on his liver). And Stanton... really?

It was embarrassing how soft we started. How the hell does Murphy play as an inside mid and have 0 tackles... WTF? Even if we'd won, there'd be forceful questions being asked about our soft attitude and lack of smarts at game commencement.

I understand that we probably went for Lang when SOJ went down due to his speed... but fair-fkn-dinkum, the bloke fills his durps when he's confronted with physicality - we can't carry blokes like this (fair finisher but there's a reason the Pussycats were glad to see the @rs end of him) when you've got a bloke like Kennedy warming the pine who has a forward presence AND a physical presence. Blokes like Lang only add to 'softness' above the shoulders.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Stanton (Midfield and Transition) and Barker (Midfield and Stoppages), I would have sacked them today. Plenty of good coaches sitting around off work due to Covid19.

Stanton wasnt renowned for his inside work and Barker wasnt a mid or ruckman and how he has survived all these years at the club remains a mystery.I'm sure he is a nice bloke but fair dinkum how many coaching roles can you have in an unsuccessful era and not
be culled along with all the other coaching nuffies we have had.

[blueboys_1]

Not sure where to put this so maybe mods can help out. There was a scratch match that was played by the players who did not play in the seniors. Does anyone know how that went down, best players, injuries?

[LoveNavy]

Greetings LN, and happy New Year... ? ?

Many good points though I think you've confused me with someone else re 'mass reform'. Nuh, we're fundamentally on the right track and the 'comebacks' in our past two games were full of merit and fight and indicate we're, in the words of Renee Geyer, heading in the right direction.

However...

As I mentioned earlier our issues are fundamentally above the shoulders. Plus being 2 HARD mids short and some coaching intelligence for the midfield. Our midfield started like it was at training... bruise free/lacking mongrel, trying to finesse/easy way out and no initiative/boldness to respond to the Dees smart coaching in nullifying the Cripps influence. This is where one of our Directors, C Judd, should be exerting his expertise and experience... in terms of attitude and strategy, on the group and the midfield coaching staff (FFS, would someone please wrench Barker off the security of the CFC tit and bring in a midfield coach with smarts and a bit of shyte on his liver). And Stanton... really?

It was embarrassing how soft we started. How the hell does Murphy play as an inside mid and have 0 tackles... WTF? Even if we'd won, there'd be forceful questions being asked about our soft attitude and lack of smarts at game commencement.

I understand that we probably went for Lang when SOJ went down due to his speed... but fair-fkn-dinkum, the bloke fills his durps when he's confronted with physicality - we can't carry blokes like this (fair finisher but there's a reason the Pussycats were glad to see the @rs end of him) when you've got a bloke like Kennedy warming the pine who has a forward presence AND a physical presence. Blokes like Lang only add to 'softness' above the shoulders.

Greetings to you too Baggers and Mrs Baggers ?
Long time between drinks for me. Daughter's wedding in our garden, 6wk European holiday to visit another daughter, were planned June- September. So I'd been keeping busy. Then COVID....
Must admit I took time to adjust to the new layout too (Must be a Carlton thing).

My reference to Baggers was not meant specific to you. Pardon my sloppy choice of words?. Rather to those Bluebaggers on CSC seeking mass changes.

It was great though to see my tardiness resulting in you bobbing up to say hi ?

I'm with those Bluebaggers like yourself, Kruddler and others who think we're on the right track. Although needing the hard inside mid/s to complete the puzzle.

Who knows maybe Gibbons, SOJ, Martin, Stocker or others help fill the gap somewhat in the short-term.

Kruddler made great points about the strong repeated comeback drive v the lay down and die attitude. The latter haunted me i know that ?. Blues v Freo at MCG springs to mind ? Not sure if it was MM, Bolts, or Caretaker but it was beyond disgraceful.

Anyways hope you're healthy and happy

[PaulP]

Not sure where to put this so maybe mods can help out. There was a scratch match that was played by the players who did not play in the seniors. Does anyone know how that went down, best players, injuries?

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/705406...-melbourne

[blueboys_1]

Thanks PP.