CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

LP the implied link is with the vaccination,  not Covid.  There has also been noise about many athletes having heart issues post jabs.

That is a different issue and the mechanism is known, this new issue is post COVID / Long COVID related.

[madbluboy]

Nothing to with his lifestyle at all.

[northernblue]

Nothing to with his lifestyle at all.

That was along my line of thinking when it happened.

[LP]

Nothing to with his lifestyle at all.

I don't think there is any doubt 30+ years of smoking is a contributor, or perhaps other aspects of his lifestyle, but does that mean we shouldn't be taking the added COVID risk more seriously?

If you read back through this thread, you'll find I've always asserted that Pfizer and Moderna caused an issue, they weren't the safe alternatives to Az that the media painted, but I also asserted that COVID itself in the absence of vaccines also caused an issue. If fact the scientists have been saying this almost from day one, that COVID causes Cardio Pulmonary problems.

What this really exposes is another flaw in the "Let it Rip" mentality, or that a "mild Omicron infection" is somehow safer and more effective than the vaccines! The science shows it clearly isn't, vaccine side-effects are almost exclusively restricted to a very narrow group of individuals who have certain risk factors, and will present within hours or days of being vaccinated. By comparison post COVID heart complications are happening across the spectrum, and can occur weeks and months later!

For this reason, it pays for everyone to be vigilant. Don't just assume it's a sniffle or you are a bit off-colour, accepting that sniffle assertion blindly increases your risk many fold, get checked out!

[Thryleon]

^^

Stop fear mongering.

Its not helpful.  Covid isnt just a cold, but it is comparable to the sniffles now.  Its over, lets get on with it.

[Mav]

Apparently, Jack Darling has been vaccinated and the only thing stopping him from rejoining the Eagles now is the paperwork:
“They Just Needed Some Positive News”: Eagles Boosted By Darling Vaccination Revelation, SEN.

[DJC]

^^

Stop fear mongering.

Its not helpful.  Covid isnt just a cold, but it is comparable to the sniffles now.  Its over, lets get on with it.

The ten folk who passed away in Victoria over the last 24 hours would probably disagree ... if they could!

The 32 folk in ICU and nearly 200 in hospital would probably disagree too.

Our local greengrocer and my niece’s husband definitely disagree.

Then there’s the medical and scientific community ?

[Thryleon]

The ten folk who passed away in Victoria over the last 24 hours would probably disagree ... if they could!

The 32 folk in ICU and nearly 200 in hospital would probably disagree too.

Our local greengrocer and my niece’s husband definitely disagree.

Then there’s the medical and scientific community ?

Whats the answer then?

Hide indoors, locked away doing nothing?

We have all gotten vaccinated.  We are all still wearing masks in public. 

When we lost my dad back in 2005, we all declared that life was precious and you shouldnt take a minute for granted because it might be the last minute you get to spend with your loved ones.  Two years on, we are now in a position where we are adequately protected to get on with it and with the knowledge that the majority of people will be perfectly fine, but these statistics you quote, and these cases LP point to aren't necessarily people who are in hospital because of covid, and (I would know because I saw it up close and personal for the last couple of years) and many of the people I know who are aged, vulnerable, vaccinated, AND got COVID, are still alive and kicking quite happily.

COVID isnt the threat everyone told you it was.  Sorry to burst your bubble.



The sooner you all come to terms with the fact that its a matter of when not if, and the fact that when you do it, the odds are overwhelmingly stacked in favour of a perfectly fine recovery and minimal symptoms, the better you will feel about it.

The numbers arent worth talking about, the world is very much ok with COVID, and our infections are not that high considering the trains are full again.

[LP]

^^

Stop fear mongering.

Its not helpful.  Covid isnt just a cold, but it is comparable to the sniffles now.  Its over, lets get on with it.

How can I be fear mongering when I'm commenting on stuff that is making front page headlines across all states?

It's being discussed in mainstream media like it's something new and something to be feared. Well it is something to be cautious about, but it's nothing new, it's the reality of COVID from day one that the denialists have largely disregarded and disrespected.

Fools will listen to those who are sprouting the "It's the sniffles" spin and go about their lives ignorant of a real world real life risk.

Omicron is neither benevolent or selective, if you think you can be oblivious and indignant towards it then you are probably just setting yourself up for a horrible surprise. Continue to be vigilant, continue to be careful, continue to be observant, do not be complacent, it may save your own or somebody else's life!

[LP]

Whats the answer then?

Hide indoors, locked away doing nothing?

We have all gotten vaccinated.  We are all still wearing masks in public.

Well, the answer isn't becoming an Ostrich, it's not wise to sprint off across a mostly grassy paddock when you know it's has land mines!

That's the problem, when people start up with the "It's the sniffles" bullsh1t people think that masks and social distancing are no longer needed, and that is an attitude that can and probably will cost someone somewhere their health!

The smart thing is to be as cynical about the "let it rip" mentality as the anti-vaxxers continue to be about the vaccines, because those two assertions come from the very same root!

There plenty of ways to get on with life, but nobody ever stated you could just go back to "the way we were", except maybe Barbara Striesand!