CV and mad panic behaviour

[madbluboy]

Novak wins!

[madbluboy]

Rumours he is about to be arrested and kicked out of the country.

[Mav]

You don't have to like him, you don't have to empathise with the Serbs.  You don't have to like them either (in my experience, most anglo saxons, hate people from the balkans anyway)  but to label someone who went through that, white male and privliged??
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If you didnt see war in your nation when you were 12, you cant comment here and call him privileged.

I'm guessing you're well aware I never used the label white male privilege. Whatever p!ssing contest you and LP are having over that, leave me out of it.

If you look back at my posts, you'll see I had a go at the privilege rich tennis superstars exercise. I cited 2 examples: Djokovic & Serena Williams. You'll note there's no through line there when it comes to being white males. 

As for the notion being a child witness to bombings in your youth gives you lifelong immunity from being regarded as privileged, my counter-example is Queen Elizabeth II who was in Buckingham Palace when it was bombed by the Germans and lived through the Blitz well aware of the toll it was taking on Londoners. She was about 14. Would it be outrageous to consider her privileged? (Edit: Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth II's mother, was the one who was present; the then princess and her sister were sent to the country).

No one's suggesting Novak was privileged when he was a child, but he sure is now.

[Thryleon]

I'm guessing you're well aware I never used the label white male privilege. Whatever p!ssing contest you and LP are having over that, leave me out of it.

If you look back at my posts, you'll see I had a go at the privilege rich tennis superstars exercise. I cited 2 examples: Djokovic & Serena Williams. You'll note there's no through line there when it comes to being white males. 

As for the notion being a child witness to bombings in your youth gives you lifelong immunity from being regarded as privileged, my counter-example is Queen Elizabeth II who was in Buckingham Palace when it was bombed by the Germans and lived through the Blitz well aware of the toll it was taking on Londoners. She was about 14. Would it be outrageous to consider her privileged? (Edit: Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth II's mother, was the one who was present; the then princess and her sister were sent to the country).

No one's suggesting Novak was privileged when he was a child, but he sure is now.

The whole point of being privileged is to have been born into your success, safety and a position of privilege.

White privilege is a social phenomenon intertwined with race and racism.[1] The American Anthropological Association states that, "The 'racial' worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth."[19] Although the definition of "white privilege" has been somewhat fluid, it is generally agreed to refer to the implicit or systemic advantages that people who are deemed white have relative to people who are not deemed white. Not having to experience suspicion and other adverse reactions to one's race is also often termed a type of white privilege.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

This term doesn't apply to people from the Balkans.  His treatment isn't one born of privilege.  Have a look at how he has always been viewed irrespective of what you think of him, and at this point ill throw Adam goodes at you and how there is a point of racism to his treatment.

Novak and people who hail from the balkan peninsula in general do not have a warm and fuzzy experience in the western world and have always been viewed as second class citizens to Anglo Saxons.

He may have been granted white male privilege now that he is at the top of Tennis but he has not been given that as a result of being white or male its because he has money and that would apply unilaterally to anyone who went from rags to riches who would automatically be held in that esteem because our society values wealth.

Im calling out what is obviously BS personal bias.  I dont see the relevance in quiting a monarch.  When Novak was dodging bombs and living without electricity most privleged 12 year olds were watching power rangers and playing with ninja turtles. 

Kilian Mpabbe and Paul Pogba are they privileged?  Do they have white male privilege even though they are black?

Interesting question. 


Finally, because I'm replying to this thread, you chimed in with something I replied to you, and im cognisant that you have not bandied about that term, but irrespective you seem to be continuing your argument.  This has become something more akin to validation of LP's point which makes you an associate by default.  Someone who boos Goodes not because he was acting like a flog but have joined the voices of racist boos and are similarly racist.

I have not stated that Novak is not a flog here.  He behaves in a manner that makes it hard to like him at times, but in this circumstance this opinion has driven public response prior to any real wrong doing on his behalf.

[LP]

The whole point of being privileged is to have been born into your success, safety and a position of privilege.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

This term doesn't apply to people from the Balkans. 

I can see why you are getting stressed, you've chosen to obey a very limited scope of the term, when in a more modern broader scope it's got nothing to do with who your parents are, and everything to do with how you behave, maybe even for people who aren't so white!

It applies to anyone, even Balkans who behave a certain way putting their own importance and self-interests ahead of and above others or the rest of society. I'm not sure why you seem to think the Balkans would have some special exemption, the same rules that apply to everyone else apply to Djoker, and yet ....................... it seems not, it seems he is special!

[flyboy77]

And this applies equally in Australia.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-mak...09?mod=mhp

[Mav]

Thryleon, I don't agree with your attempt to restrict the definition of privilege. I'll leave you to hash it out with LP and the makers of dictionaries.

[LP]

The latest science indicates vaccinated are approximately 8x less likely to suffer long term effects from all COVID variants, this is over and above the already greatly reduced risk of getting a SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first place. Vaccination reduces the risk of infection for all SARS-CoV-2 variants.

Breakthrough infections occur at approximately 1/10th the rate of infections in unvaccinated, similar benefits are shown in hospital admissions and acute/intensive care.

Sufferers of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections also appear to be 4x less likely to experience severe long term symptoms.

Preliminary findings also indicate are that any unvaccinated sufferers of long COVID will experience reduced severity of symptoms if they proceed to be vaccinated once eligible.

Vaccination, win, win, win and win! ;D

[LP]

Greg Baum over at The Rage has a nice perspective of all this Djoker stuff;

If you don’t believe Djokovic misused an escape clause this year, have a close read of the ATAGI protocols that were co-opted to his case. The relevant clause allows an exemption for someone with “PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, where vaccination can be deferred until six months after the infection”.

That’s deferred, not refused point-blank. Deferred, not laughed in the face of. As noted by former ATAGI chair Allen Cheng, it is meant to apply to people in Australia who when safe can have the vaccine. It is not meant to provide a PPE-lined avenue into the country for those who have no intention of being inoculated, now, later or ever.

Think about it for a moment: the way to get around Australia’s COVID-19 public health protection protocols is to get COVID-19. Just head down to your local dance club, take a few deep breaths, pop into your nearest PCR shop on the way home and voila!

Does anybody truly believe that Djokovic is claiming exemption now on the basis that he will dutifully have a jab in six months when the scales fall from his eyes? That’s Novak Djokovic, globally known virulent vaccination opponent – sceptic won’t do, because his mind is not open on this. Djokovic, blithe COVID-19 fellow-traveller? Djokovic, family-anointed leader of the free world? Jab-free, that is.

A behaviour, only available to the lawyered up wealthy it seems, quite a privilege!

[madbluboy]

He didn't win because he's rich, he was able fight because he's rich.

He won because he didn't do anything wrong.