CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

So it seems in breaking news that Gladys Burythemall actually did!

To enact the tactics and half-ar5ed restrictions some have lauded her for, which resulted in the NSW mess and the spread, she basically ignored the official health department recommendations which were ironically quite similar to those enacted in Victoria.

Now if we did that it would be a fine or a prosecution!

[DJC]

Hardly ... certainly not the airlines.

Professor Simon Loertscher, Director, Centre for Market Design,University of Melbourne, and Dr Ellen Muir, Stanford University, have a different view:

As a direct result of the ongoing global pandemic, we are living with an economic downturn whose scope and magnitude is staggering.

Governments around the world, including the Australian government, face a difficult balancing act – managing a serious public health crisis without causing economic and social devastation.
...

Managing the dynamics of a dangerous pandemic isn’t a familiar or comfortable experience for economists and policy makers. But neither is it a comfortable experience for epidemiologist to entertain the idea of tolerating some level of spread for a deadly disease. This is uncharted territory for all.

Given the stakes, we need to find our path fast, and learn on the go.

This crisis is different from any other in living memory. It requires adaptive thinking that accounts for complex tradeoffs between managing the pandemic and managing economic and social well-being.

This can be achieved by targeting an appropriately chosen constraint, like the capacity of the healthcare system.

Implementing this approach requires that we build new models that combine economic and epidemiological data, and collect accurate data concerning the course of the epidemic through widespread testing.

The challenge is formidable but the concerted, whole-hearted and decisive effort defeated fascism eighty years ago – so there is no reason to believe we have to surrender to this virus, or the inevitable pandemics to come in the future.
https://fbe.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/the-...f-covid-19

Of course, the most compelling evidence is the fact that enterprises are happily complying with government mandates or, in many cases, pre-empting them or going beyond the mandated requirements.  For example, Alan Joyce led the way in announcing that all QANTAS passengers must be fully vaccinated.  The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.

[LP]

The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.

It's going to become even more divisive in the long term, at the moment it's basically a minority pushing back against the restrictive social and commercial measures. But I fear we'll be in for a lot more trouble when the vast majority get sick of being dragged into restrictions by what they perceive as the actions a handful, even if those actions only have a trivial effect it won't be human nature to judge it as such.

People need to have something to blame!

COVID is what COVID does and the measures are obviously about limit the damage not finding a cure, so I fear some unscrupulous authorities may also finger-point to distract the majority from the imperfect solutions. The last thing authorities need is more people pushing back against vaccines and boosters, God help the health system, even with a high uptake it's still strained!

The Feds have a lot to answer for, they've delivered the message very poorly, and I'm sure any moment in the sun they might find won't last! They have sold people a cure when no cure exists, there never has been and probably never will be a long lasting cure or immunity for a coronavirus, if such a thing existed it should have already evolved by now naturally! Evolution has probably already tested every variation we can either discover or invent a million times over.

[capcom]

Of course, the most compelling evidence is the fact that enterprises are happily complying with government mandates or, in many cases, pre-empting them or going beyond the mandated requirements.  For example, Alan Joyce led the way in announcing that all QANTAS passengers must be fully vaccinated.  The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.

IATA governed the rules, NOT Qantas and not the Feds !!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Didnt Joyce plan to sack all the ground staff then try and hire staff again at reduced rates and conditions through an external provider and wants a RyanAir model airline? All this after taking the Government money....

[capcom]

Didnt Joyce plan to sack all the ground staff then try and hire staff again at reduced rates and conditions through an external provider and wants a RyanAir model airline? All this after taking the Government money....

He did [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] ... but I believe it was targeted at outsourcing the handling (catering / ground crew / marshallers / fuelling / baggage load and unload) to competitive bids.

Catering for example is hardly done by any airline anymore. 

[Professer E]

Why do the government make it so bloody hard to get a vaccine certificate!?! Tried to get one for my daughter today, apparently if they're over 14 you can't do it on their behalf.  Then the Muppet I dealt with didn't even know the operating hours of the service.  What a sh1t show.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Why do the government make it so bloody hard to get a vaccine certificate!?! Tried to get one for my daughter today, apparently if they're over 14 you can't do it on their behalf.  Then the Muppet I dealt with didn't even know the operating hours of the service.  What a sh1t show.

You should get a printed certificate when you get your second jab IMO via your medicare number....was in Kmart today and an older couple didnt have a phone setup with the app and had no idea about the printed version either. Like I have said before it you are going to mandate vaccinations and want certificates/proof then make it easy for folk who are older or not tech savvy.
You get the jab and you walk out with your proof on the spot....

[DJC]

IATA governed the rules, NOT Qantas and not the Feds !!

Joyce was one of the first airline CEOs to promote the idea of a vaccination passport for air travel.  This time last year, the Murdoch media got stuck into Joyce for proposing mandatory vaccination for airline travelers and claimed that it wouldn't work.  That was well before the IATA had developed a position/policy on vaccinations.  It had introduced a passenger spacing model that wasn't accepted by all member airlines (around 80% of the world's airlines are members).

See: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up...EzEALw_wcB

I wonder if they're still convinced that mandatory vaccination for airline travelers won't work.

IATA set up the vaccination passport model and app for its members.  However, it doesn't make the regulations for individual airlines or nations.  The Federal Government decides who comes to Australia and under what conditions.  Similarly, QANTAS determines what's best for its business, not IATA.  Have a look at the IATA website to see the travel restrictions map and the range of restrictions imposed by governments, ours included.

QANTAS also has a vaccination bonus program for its frequent flyers and it was the first major Australian company to mandate vaccination for its workforce.  That's not altruism, it's all about profits, as well as Australian workplace laws.

[capcom]

Joyce was one of the first airline CEOs to promote the idea of a vaccination passport for air travel.  This time last year, the Murdoch media got stuck into Joyce for proposing mandatory vaccination for airline travelers and claimed that it wouldn't work.  That was well before the IATA had developed a position/policy on vaccinations.  It had introduced a passenger spacing model that wasn't accepted by all member airlines (around 80% of the world's airlines are members).

See: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up...EzEALw_wcB

I wonder if they're still convinced that mandatory vaccination for airline travelers won't work.

IATA set up the vaccination passport model and app for its members.  However, it doesn't make the regulations for individual airlines or nations.  The Federal Government decides who comes to Australia and under what conditions.  Similarly, QANTAS determines what's best for its business, not IATA.  Have a look at the IATA website to see the travel restrictions map and the range of restrictions imposed by governments, ours included.

QANTAS also has a vaccination bonus program for its frequent flyers and it was the first major Australian company to mandate vaccination for its workforce.  That's not altruism, it's all about profits, as well as Australian workplace laws.

You are so wide of the mark, it's a joke.  You clearly know nothing about global alliances, interline, GDS reservations distribution and the massive interface between carriers across the world.

Without the QF designator, Qantas is effectively dead.  Joyce proposed vaccination passports VERY early in the piece when there were no intnl ops.  By international concurrence, they will become part of the airport structures for check in just as passports have done in the past.  IATA have now introduced rules which will quickly require  compliance.

But hey, I only did this for 42 years. what would I know?  :