CV and mad panic behaviour

[ElwoodBlues1]

Re Nurses and Dr's gagged... Yep Nurses were told no negative vaccine waves and to see the beauty in those vaccine jabs.
Don't know about Dr's but the hospital variety would have to run everything by the Registrar who gives permission to make public comment normally anyway.
Covid is back in Europe and vaccine rates in some countries are an issue, getting people to get boosters is going to be another story to watch. England has been slow in getting boosters and I think that's going to be the case in a lot of countries where folk think its job done with the initial jabs.
Can see a booster mandate in Victoria with Dan in full power trip mode...

[Mav]

In Victoria, we don't have to wait for Winter to come around again; we're still in it. It's freezing.

[Mav]

Mantis, it sounds nefarious to limit the ability of nurses to say whatever they want to patients or in public, but should nurses have a right to spread disinformation or misinformation? If a nurse is an anti-vaxxer, should it be permissible for him or her to scare patients out of taking the vaccine with lies told in service of a greater cause? What about a nurse in an obstetric ward who wants to tell every pregnant woman that their children will be born deformed if they vaccinate themselves? If nurses have a right to free speech in their workplaces then they couldn't even be moved or disciplined. You'd have to try to clean up around them. And how many hours would you need to spend with a terrorised pregnant woman to talk her around after an anti-vaxxer has finished with her?

The problem is that we see professions, particularly helping professions, as monoliths. But they are large communities which have their share of wackos and evildoers. We've had solicitors who steal their clients' money, barristers who sell out their clients to the police, police who rape, murder and sell drugs, doctors who believe in demon blood, and nurses who kill their patients. As a reality check, who is the granddaddy of anti-vaxxers? Andrew Wakefield, who was a doctor at the time he faked case studies he said showed that MMR vaccines caused autism. He was deregistered as a result. I suppose anti-vaxxers would say that was an outrageous attempt to strip him of his right to free speech and prevent him from getting his message out to the people. 

[Mantis]

Re Nurses and Dr's gagged... Yep Nurses were told no negative vaccine waves and to see the beauty in those vaccine jabs.
Don't know about Dr's but the hospital variety would have to run everything by the Registrar who gives permission to make public comment normally anyway.
Covid is back in Europe and vaccine rates in some countries are an issue, getting people to get boosters is going to be another story to watch. England has been slow in getting boosters and I think that's going to be the case in a lot of countries where folk think its job done with the initial jabs.
Can see a booster mandate in Victoria with Dan in full power trip mode...

The booster program is being worked on. Mr Foley has brought the topic up a number of times as has the Covid Commander. People I work with think the job is done after the 2nd vaccination. I tell them we will see a booster program which has been mentioned. It would have to be a part of an on going plan you would think. How else would we maintain a vaccinated status without it? I don’t think people understand how we will be living with Covid and what the rules will be in the next year or so. It doesn’t end with two shots. Especially once state to state borders open up and international travel and movement is in full swing.

[LP]

Went out for lunch at a restaurant for the first time in a forever, and after receiving the bill, i'll be happy to go back into lockdown. lol

I think a few places have jacked up their prices, and fair enough really, since lockdowns have killed them.

I don't mind the prices being raised a bit given the lower density seating, but I expect quality and service at the higher price to make it worthwhile to eat in.

A lot of places are doing themselves in by giving half the service, average product and a 90min limit for almost double the price.

In my area the more experienced foodies are doing hybrid trading, some in-house complimented by a shed load of home delivery.

[ElwoodBlues1]

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The booster program is being worked on. Mr Foley has brought the topic up a number of times as has the Covid Commander. People I work with think the job is done after the 2nd vaccination. I tell them we will see a booster program which has been mentioned. It would have to be a part of an on going plan you would think. How else would we maintain a vaccinated status without it? I don’t think people understand how we will be living with Covid and what the rules will be in the next year or so. It doesn’t end with two shots. Especially once state to state borders open up and international travel and movement is in full swing.

Novavax and Moderna are working on a combo vaccine that does your regular flu and Covid.
Novavax are testing it here in Aus on 50-70 year olds , I see this as your once a year booster shot for the future.
In the USA the booster program is for 65 year olds at this stage or was last time I read about it due to safety concerns for other age groups.

[kruddler]

I don't mind the prices being raised a bit given the lower density seating, but I expect quality and service at the higher price to make it worthwhile to eat in.

A lot of places are doing themselves in by giving half the service, average product and a 90min limit for almost double the price.

In my area the more experienced foodies are doing hybrid trading, some in-house complimented by a shed load of home delivery.

This is a place in Carlton (not on Lygon) that we've been going to for over a decade now. Always had quality service, and food. As its Carlton, prices have always been on the higher end anyway....but even then....Thankfully portion sizes are decent, so i was a bit heavier walking out, even if the hip pocket was very much lighter.

[Mav]

You'd imagine the boosters would be rolled out in the same order as the original vaccines were offered: in other words, over 65s and those with co-morbidities first. Mostly, that just reflects that they had been vaccinated earlier and  their immunity would therefore wane earlier. But then again, the AZ vaccine had a 3 month gap in between doses while Pfizer only had 1 month's gap or even less, so that would have compressed the time line a bit.

[Mantis]

Mav. I agree with the weather as we are only 2 weeks away from summer and this is not the kind of weather we would expect this late in the year. Not on a regular basis. I read your reply to my post and great points made. I think there is potential for problems when people in certain fields of work offering opinions. Opinions are very often based on personal perceptions. I also see danger in telling truths that could create panic and give people more to worry about than they need to. Rogue operators as I would choose to manipulate situations to benefit their own needs is just wrong and should be punished. The biggest issue however is the grey zone between the truth and what is perceived to be the best for everyone in terms of health and well-being. Is a gagging order (if that is a correct term to use) a way to manage a program of vaccine mandates. I call it as a mandate as we see well and truly if you don’t comply with health orders, you must work from home. If you exercise your right to choice, you will not have a passport to allow you entry into restaurants, retail stores, freedom of movement etc. Sure enough you won’t be jabbed, but you will be restricted from doing many things you might need and enjoy. Stopping people from telling the truth can also be dangerous. I have always considered it as a duty of care in any field of work. Honesty is required if you have ethics. That is where the grey zone comes into play. How do you answer questions you are asked? Do you tell people what you see and experience first hand? Do you direct people to manufacturers specifications and tested results? Does this divert the attention of people to direct any liability to the manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies? Remember the movie “A few good men”. “I want the truth”. “You can’t handle the truth”.  How do some of the people operate in their field of work? What is it that we really know? How much is really an opinion based on personal perception and belief, and how much is pure fact? Not manufacturers facts, but real life experienced fact?

Probably why we are here discussing our views. We are probably more in this grey zone than, pro or against any government programs. I myself am lost. I see people leave the police force, leave nursing placings after many years, and now I hear doctors doing similar. Do they feel they can’t serve the community and still follow orders and instructions? Thank god life is so simple and easy to understand or we would have nothing to talk about here. I would rather know everything and make life choices to suit what is best for me. On another note, is it best a new thread is started on the new Pandemic bill? I will have lots to say there. Lots.

[ElwoodBlues1]

You'd imagine the boosters would be rolled out in the same order as the original vaccines were offered: in other words, over 65s and those with co-morbidities first. Mostly, that just reflects that they had been vaccinated earlier and  their immunity would therefore wane earlier. But then again, the AZ vaccine had a 3 month gap in between doses while Pfizer only had 1 month's gap or even less, so that would have compressed the time line a bit.

Reckon it will be just be the expiry date 6 months after your last jab and there will be choice and quantity of vaccines available for all age groups. With Europe struggling with another surge I'd expect a very strong campaign from the Government to get everyone done quicker and more efficiently second time around.
ScoMo wont be letting the booster program lag like the initial rollout and Dan will be have the finger on the mandate button waiting to push it like Xi has his finger on the button waiting to send missiles Taiwan's way...