CV and mad panic behaviour

[Mav]

LP, you really piss me off. Your certitude is shill like.

Should he follow your lead in offering up nuanced interpretations of data which admit the possibility that vaccines work and Ivermectin doesn't? The Chinese Communist Party is more accepting of opposing views than you.

[LP]

@MAV‍ I'm relaxed about this, nobody can debate fake news and fake claims with real facts, just as the absence of evidence is never evidence of absence you can't win those debates, because counter-arguments will just be invented.

Much of the spurious content we find it necessary to debug exists only in a fantasy. As such I only feel obliged to offer a valid response to a heretical claim once, after that any continual repetition or replay of the same old same old claims is merely building evidence of lunacy. Like someone who listens to hours and hours of music on a iPod, with three songs on shuffle! :o

Should he follow your lead in offering up nuanced interpretations of data which admit the possibility that vaccines work and Ivermectin doesn't?

"Nuanced" seems pretty generous, ............. "bastardised" seems a better fit!

[DJC]

Gee, why only tell 1/10th of the story David?

Do you want a lesson on RRR vs. ARR? ARR is about 1%. Citing RRR without the ARR is deceitful.

No, the paper I referenced is not a clinical trial but a real life study.

Or you could then throw in the recent Swedish study:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=3949410

Yes, the effectiveness of all vaccines wanes over time.  My cousin has to have his childhood vaccinations again because he no longer has immunity.  It has been known for some time that an annual COVID vaccine will be necessary.

And then on transmission - total fail:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanin...4/fulltext

I'm not sure how much reliance you can place on a study involving only 231 individuals and no controls for other factors.  However:

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

That seems like a win to me.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...21264262v2

Relevance?  The bottom line is that vaccinated folk have less chance of infection and have less sever symptoms if they do get COVID.  For example, another real life study, this time from Canada:

Just seven fully vaccinated Albertans in their 50s have been admitted to an intensive care unit with COVID-19 since mid-May.

That compares to 181 unvaccinated people of the same age — despite the fact that there are far fewer of them.

Fully vaccinated 50-somethings were admitted to ICU at a rate of less than 3 per 100,000.

The rate among the unvaccinated, by comparison, was 139 per 100,000.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a...-1.6178449[/quote]

And then on the vaccine fall out - inexcusable....

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-c...-how-these?

Nothing like a bit of fake news!  In fact:

[quote]CDC reviewed 14 reports of death after vaccination. Among the decedents, four were aged 12–15 years and 10 were aged 16–17 years. All death reports were reviewed by CDC physicians; impressions regarding cause of death were pulmonary embolism (two), suicide (two), intracranial hemorrhage (two), heart failure (one), hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and disseminated Mycobacterium chelonae infection (one), and unknown or pending further records (six).

It's also worth noting that the 14 reports of death arose after approximately 8.9 million US adolescents aged 12–17 years had received the Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19...11-11-2021

Only 647 coincidental deaths now. Sweet.

Yes, people die, and particularly those aged 65 and over.  The vast majority of the 656 folk who died after immunisation were 65 and over.  Inccidentally, the age standardised death rate for January to July 2021 was 246.1, comparable to the 245.8 recorded in 2020 and below the historical average of 262.5.  Not that 656 deaths would have much impact on our death rate but there's no reason to assume that the 647 deaths are anything but normal deaths from ischaemic heart disease or other common causes of death.

It is worth noting that only 9 deaths are linked to immunisation after 36.9 million doses have been administered. 

[flyboy77]

You're kidding David. Laughable frankly.

Did I ever say vaccines don't wane?

Name me another 'vaccine' that is dead useless after 6 months and next to useless after 2-3 months?

If you believe only 9 deaths of the 655 odd are caused by the vaccines, you must believe in Santa Claus.

You seen the report someone must complete? Not for the faint hearted.

Zero autopsies.

Fake news?

You refute studies and facts with rhetoric.

Miss this one?

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Who would have thought a reputable company like Pfizer might fudge data. Oh wait.

Oh wait..... https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

Their partner GSK ain't squeaky clean either.

[Mav]

Did I ever say vaccines don't wane?

Name me another 'vaccine' that is dead useless after 6 months and next to useless after 2-3 months?

The flu vaccine. So where do I pick up my prize?

[ElwoodBlues1]

The fact that a person received a COVID-19 vaccine some time prior to their death does not of itself make their death
reportable to the coroner. Underlying causes is a very convenient way of not having perform an autopsy, I think its very common sense to assume that Doctors would not be encouraged by hospital admins to investigate or write death certificates with CoVid19 Vaccination as the probable cause of death. As most would know death certificates written up with underlying causes usually include all known conditions the deceased suffered from but I'd bet CoVid vax isnt in on too many of those lists as a potential cause of death. Respiratory failure is a favourite that covers a myriad of conditions because its the end result when you pass.....too easy to write that instead of investigating the real cause especially something sensitive like a vaccine caused death...

[Thryleon]

The fact that a person received a COVID-19 vaccine some time prior to their death does not of itself make their death
reportable to the coroner. Underlying causes is a very convenient way of not having perform an autopsy, I think its very common sense to assume that Doctors would not be encouraged by hospital admins to investigate or write death certificates with CoVid19 Vaccination as the probable cause of death. As most would know death certificates written up with underlying causes usually include all known conditions the deceased suffered from but I'd bet CoVid vax isnt in on too many of those lists as a potential cause of death. Respiratory failure is a favourite that covers a myriad of conditions because its the end result when you pass.....too easy to write that instead of investigating the real cause especially something sensitive like a vaccine caused death...

No one wants to hear the vaccines have an issue.

Except people who don't want it.

That in itself is cause for concern.

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/surge-is-comin...53441.html

[DJC]

Back in September Flyboy contributed a post that included the statement:

You do realise it [Ivermectin] has been on the WHO's list of most essential human drugs for decades and won the Nobel Prize in 2015?

I didn't respond at the time but now I think I should.  Ivermectin did not win the Nobel prize.  No drug has ever won the Nobel prize.  It is a prize that is awarded to people. 

The truth of the matter is that Satoshi Omura and William Campbell were awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their research that demonstrated that Ivermectin (developed back in the 1970s as a veterinary medicine) is effective in treating parasitic infections in humans as well as animals. 

At around the time of Flyboy's post, many prominent COVID-deniers and Ivermectin-boosters were making almost identical claims that Ivermectin "won" the Nobel Prize.  Of course, that got me thinking that someone or something was orchestrating a campaign and the COVID-deniers and Ivermectin-boosters were simply falling into line with their approved statements or catchphrases.

In response to the outrageous and blatantly wrong claims of the COVID-deniers and Ivermectin-boosters, Dr William Campbell was moved to make the following statement:

I utterly despise and deny the remarks attributed to me on social media on September 8, 2021,” he wrote. “I reject both the substance and the tone of the remarks, and resent their presentation as a direct quotation. The tweet in question was not concerned with science. I am a biologist with no claim to expertise in the clinical evaluation of drugs against viral infections. Thus, I have not taken a stand in support of, or against, the efficacy of ivermectin against COVID-19.

Anyone who claims that Ivermectin "won" the Nobel Prize or has any application beyond treating parasitic infections in humans and animals is playing fast and loose with the truth.. 

[DJC]

You're kidding David. Laughable frankly.

Did I ever say vaccines don't wane?

Name me another 'vaccine' that is dead useless after 6 months and next to useless after 2-3 months?

If you believe only 9 deaths of the 655 odd are caused by the vaccines, you must believe in Santa Claus.

You seen the report someone must complete? Not for the faint hearted.

Zero autopsies.

Fake news?

You refute studies and facts with rhetoric.

Miss this one?

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Who would have thought a reputable company like Pfizer might fudge data. Oh wait.

Oh wait..... https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

Their partner GSK ain't squeaky clean either.

Well, none of the COVID vaccines are dead useless after 6 months but the flu vaccine is. 

The facts don't support your position Flyboy and conspiracy theories don't cut the mustard.  Unless you can come up with empirical evidence it's probably best just to fade away.