CV and mad panic behaviour

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'll take that as a concession nurses don't do anything themselves to alert patients. And yay, administrators will always put their patients' interests first rather than worry about nurses going to war over their medical privacy or disruption caused by frequent requests for nursing changes ...

I'm sure you can read the tea leaves ... any patient who arks up over a nurse's unvaccinated status will be waiting a long time before they're seen. Of course patients could ask, but when you have a long wait in ED you won't want to be bumped. Or if you're booked in for surgery and then object to one of the nurses, you'd expect your operation will wait for another day.

Interesting that you are quite happy to write off any fear a patient might have as unreasonable, but the vaccination fears or objections of unvaccinated nurses are determinative no matter how remote risks associated with vaccination might be. And your opinion that patients are better off being treated by experienced unvaccinated staff is a little bit paternalistic. Better for patients to be bumrushed into accepting this by confronting them with a bureaucratic system which makes patients fear the Soup Nazi treatment if they don't go along to get along.   

ED Tip...say you have chest pains and feel weak down one side...you will jump to the front of the line.
You can still get CoVid off a vaccinated nurse if they are loaded...I'd rather see their latest CoVid test or Rapid antigen than their pretty green document off the MyGov site. They might have been one of the early jabbers and like the Israeli's have found the vaccine has waned and in need of a booster. So your bullet proof vaccinated nurse might be a tad more dangerous than you think and you might want him or her jabbed in front of you before they wheel you away on that gurney......
Why are you so worried if you are double vaxxed about the unvaccinated but coVid tested nurse?.......If I'm vaxxed I want the 10 year experienced unvaccinated nurse looking after me rather than the Enrolled vaccinated grad nurse from parts unknown here looking for a residency visa and who wouldnt know a syringe pump from a coffee maker....

[Mav]

But that’s you. Surely patients have a right to know and make their own decisions. I’d prefer the experienced double-vaccinated nurse who does rapid antigen testing. Apparently some Irish nurses are coming our way. They’re vaccinated and their accents are to die for.

[ElwoodBlues1]

But that’s you. Surely patients have a right to know and make their own decisions. I’d prefer the experienced double-vaccinated nurse who does rapid antigen testing. Apparently some Irish nurses are coming our way. They’re vaccinated and their accents are to die for.

Those Irish Nurses might bring the MU and Lambda variant with them.....think Ireland has some fresh cases, that MU is a nasty one, worse than Delta and more resistant to the vaccines if I read right.
I wouldnt get too close to those Irish Nurses or let my mask fall off either.....their accents might induce a little droplet of MU coming your way and indeed they might be to die for or should that be die from....

[spf]

We definitely now have a two tier society; the covidians and the non-covidians.

[Mav]

So rapid antigen testing wouldn’t help much to protect us from Irish nurses. But it means unvaccinated Aussie nurses are safe as houses.

By the way, what I’ve read suggests the Delta variant is the undisputed champion of the Covid world. Maybe some other strains have minor belts in crappy leagues, but don’t let that fool you.

[Mav]

Fun and games in the case challenging the NSW vaccine mandate.

It is argued the vaccination requirement, which will also apply to attending certain retail premises from October 11, is unlawful and invalid on several grounds.

These include that Mr Hazzard had no power to make the orders, failed to consider a number of relevant matters, considered irrelevant matters, and breached the requirements of natural justice.

Barrister Peter King, appearing for construction worker Mr Kassam, said it will be argued Mr Hazzard failed to investigate or inquire as to alternative treatment methods for COVID-19.

He asked vaccine expert Professor Kristine Macartney, a member of the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), about the opinion of a nutritionist that zinc, vitamin D and vitamin C “would be safe and effective treatments for COVID-19 patients”.

“No, I don’t agree with that,” Professor Macartney said.

Mr King raised a range of other drugs, including ivermectin – which is commonly used to treat parasites including worms – hydroxychloroquine, aspirin, asthma medication singulair, and the antibiotic doxycycline.

Professor Macartney said she has not personally been involved in any studies about the drugs’ effectiveness in treating COVID-19, but she has apprised herself of all the available evidence and reviews.

Asked about the effects of COVID-19 vaccines on pregnant women, including one of the plaintiffs, Professor Macartney said there is “a growing body of evidence on the safety of vaccination in pregnancy”, leading to the recommendation pregnant women receive the vaccination.

She said if a pregnant woman becomes infected with the virus “there is quite significant evidence of risk to the pregnant woman and the foetus”, including miscarriage.

Professor Macartney said COVID-19 vaccines have had one of the largest clinical trials of any vaccine in history, and rejected the contention that they are an “experiment”.

NSW Deputy Chief Health Officer Dr Marianne Gale said vaccination is associated with a reduction in onward transmission, which could stop a worker from catching the virus and spreading it to their household.

In written submissions, lawyers for aged care worker Ms Henry included a lengthy description of the process of injecting a vaccine into someone’s arm, describing it as an “invasive medical procedure”.

The submissions also reference the Magna Carta, which is said to confer a common law right to work, and a recent dissenting decision by one member of the Fair Work Commission, which criticised mandatory vaccination

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/expe...58w09.html
Have to laugh at the bolded bits. Denis Denuto rides again! There’ll no doubt be much reliance placed on “the vibe”.

I bet the tension was at fever pitch when the experts were asked about zinc, vitamin C, HCQ, Ivermectin etc. Will the expert say they are viable treatments? Anything is possible, right? But then the stunning and entirely unpredictable response that they weren’t viable alternatives must have shaken everyone to the core. I hope it sets the scene for the usual parade of loopy proponents to give evidence and endure ritual humiliation.

[Mav]

Surely the Plaintiffs will trot out the Chinese medicine practitioner who was such a colourful part of the FWC case. Shakespeare knew that every serious story needs a bit of comic relief.

[Mav]

Maybe the NSW Plaintiffs’ valiant crusade will count for naught as News.com.au is reporting that tomorrow the National Cabinet will consider a nation-wide vaccine mandate covering public hospitals, ambulance services, private hospitals, GPs, private nurse offices, consulting offices, pharmacies and private pathology centres. Even student nurses and doctors on work experience placements and Defence Department health services will be covered.

Of course Murdoch has tried to spin this as a controversial move. The report even includes a reference to George Christensen sending out a video comparing Covid mandates to slavery and apartheid. But as I’m not sure that either Christensen or Murdoch think slavery and apartheid are bad things, it’s hard to say whether that is an attack or a defence of the mandates.

[LP]

Patients have the right to refuse treatment from a staff member regardless of CoVid,

Customer, patient, call them whatever you like.

[Baggers]

Just spoke with a family member who is an HR boss at a multi national who said that they have a quandary with a sales person who refuses to get a jab. On further investigation said sales person explained that relatives overseas said one of them had a bad reaction to one of the vaccines  --  not life threatening or requiring hospitalization -- so that's the reason for refusing the shot. There is plenty of this going on... the misinformation and overreaction is more widespread than we may think. Due to the misinformation when folks have soreness and mild fevers they immediately think of the misinformation and then fear for their lives.